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Re: How to prevent Solve from DSolve?
*To*: mathgroup at christensen.cybernetics.net
*Subject*: [mg909] Re: How to prevent Solve from DSolve?
*From*: danl (Daniel Lichtblau)
*Date*: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 03:43:35 -0400
*Organization*: Wolfram Research, Inc.
In article <3nkbu2$mq8 at news0.cybernetics.net> chen at fractal.eng.yale.edu
(Richard Q. Chen) writes:
> Hi,
> I find it very frustrating that Mma always tries
> to give explicit solutions to an ODE, even if the solutions are
> so complicated as to be useless. For example
>
> In[2]:= Needs["Calculus`DSolve`"]
>
> In[3]:= DSolve[2 y[x] + (x + y[x]) y'[x] == 0, y[x], x]
>
> Out[3]= {{y[x] ->
>
> 1/3 2
> > -2 x + (3 2 x ) /
>
> 3 6 3 2 1/3
> > (54 x + 27 C[1] + Sqrt[-2916 x + (54 x + 27 C[1]) ]) +
>
> 3 6 3 2 1/3
1/3
> > (54 x + 27 C[1] + Sqrt[-2916 x + (54 x + 27 C[1]) ]) / (3
2 )}
>
> > , {y[x] ->
>
> 2
> > -2 x - (3 (1 + I Sqrt[3]) x ) /
>
> 2/3 3 6 3 2
1/3
> > (2 (54 x + 27 C[1] + Sqrt[-2916 x + (54 x + 27 C[1]) ])
) -
>
> 3
> > ((1 - I Sqrt[3]) (54 x + 27 C[1] +
>
> 6 3 2 1/3 1/3
> > Sqrt[-2916 x + (54 x + 27 C[1]) ]) ) / (6 2 )},
>
> 2
> > {y[x] -> -2 x - (3 (1 - I Sqrt[3]) x ) /
>
> 2/3 3 6 3 2
1/3
> > (2 (54 x + 27 C[1] + Sqrt[-2916 x + (54 x + 27 C[1]) ])
) -
>
> 3
> > ((1 + I Sqrt[3]) (54 x + 27 C[1] +
>
> 6 3 2 1/3 1/3
> > Sqrt[-2916 x + (54 x + 27 C[1]) ]) ) / (6 2 )}}
>
>
> I would like to have Mma out put something like f(x,y) == C[1] so
> that I will know what kind of simpler function f(x,y) may be. I can
> then choose to solve for y in terms of x if it is desirable.
>
> In this particular case I had to use pencil and paper and I obtained
> the much simpler implicit solution
>
> f(x,y) = y*(y+2x)^2 = C[1]
>
> This is the kind of solution I wanted.
>
> How can I prevent DSolve from using Solve to give complicated
> solution?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> --
> Richard Q. Chen
> chen at fractal.eng.yale.edu
>
>
You cannot, so far as I know, safely prevent DSolve from calling Solve.
You can either alter Solve, or else disable the use of radical solns for
cubics.
(* Here we disable cubic solns *)
In[19]:= SetOptions[Roots, Cubics -> False];
In[20]:= DSolve[2 y[x] + (x + y[x]) y'[x] == 0, y[x], x]
2 2 3
Out[20]= {ToRules[Roots[9 x y[x] + 6 x y[x] + y[x] == C[1], y[x]]]}
(* Here we short-circuit Solve *)
In[22]:= Unprotect[Solve];
In[23]:= Solve[a_, b___] := a
In[24]:= DSolve[2 y[x] + (x + y[x]) y'[x] == 0, y[x], x]
2
Out[24]= y[x] (3 x + y[x]) == C[1]
Daniel Lichtblau, WRI
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