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Re: Peculiar behavior of Integrate

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  • Subject: [mg2668] Re: Peculiar behavior of Integrate
  • From: withoff (David Withoff)
  • Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 02:55:17 -0500
  • Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.

In article <49jdro$53i at dragonfly.wri.com> bruck at mtha.usc.edu (Ronald  
Bruck) writes:
> Can anyone explain this to me?  This comes from Problem G.1.b.iii of  
problem
> set 2.03 of Davis, Porta and Uhl's Calculus and Mathematica:
> 
> If I execute
> 
> Clear[t,T]
> 100 + Integrate[(160 E^t)/(0.5 + E^t)^2,{t,0,T}]
> %/.T->2400
> 
> Mathematica does it in a wink.  If I execute
> 
> Clear[t,T]
> 100 + Integrate[(160 E^t)/(1/2 + E^t)^2,{t,0,2400}]
> 
> Mathematica does it quick as a wink.  (This is on a Power Mac 9500/132;
> your winks may vary.)
> 
> But if I execute
> 
> Clear[t,T]
> 100 + Integrate[(160 E^t)/(0.5 + E^t)^2,{t,0,2400}]
> 
> then Mathematica grinds away... and grinds away... and so far I haven't  
had
> the patience to outwait it.  When I interrupt the kernel it takes almost  
a
> minute to back out of whatever it's doing.
> 
> What's it doing?  Is this some local user-preference which is causing  
this?
> Can anyone verify similar behavior on other platforms?
> 
> This is Mathematica 2.2.2.1 for the Power Macintosh (the  
printing-magnifi-
> cation-but-fix version).
> 
> I asked the student whether she had made the proper propitiary  
sacrifices
> before sitting down at the computer, and she swore she had ;-)
> 
> --Ron Bruck
> 

The Integrate function computes this integral by taking limits
of the corresponding indefinite integral.  The Limit function
calls Simplify, which in turn calls FactorSquareFree on the
expressions 0.5 + E^2400, which is treated as a polynomial of
degree 2400 in the variable E.  This expression has 2400 factors,
and factoring it will probably take longer than you want to wait.

Since all of these operations are perfectly reasonable, and usually
desirable, fixing this particular example is not easy.  It has
nevertheless been fixed for the next version of Mathematica.

You can demonstrate that this is what is happening by disabling
Simplify while doing the integral.

In[1]:= Block[{Simplify},
            Simplify[p_] := p;
            Integrate[(160 E^t)/(0.5 + E^t)^2,{t,0,2400}]
        ]

                      160
Out[1]= 106.667 - -----------
                         2400
                  0.5 + E

When the inexact number 0.5 is replaced by 1/2, there is no problem,
since the result is irreducible, and Factor quits immediately.
Inexact numbers are problematic and should be avoided in this type
of calculation anyway, for fundamental mathematical reasons unrelated
to Mathematica.

Dave Withoff
Wolfram Research


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