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[VOTE] Equal Time Please

  • To: mathgroup at christensen.cybernetics.net
  • Subject: [VOTE] Equal Time Please
  • From: TDR at vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
  • Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:53:34 +1100

[MathGroup:

Based on Terry's protest below, I will post EVERY
email I have received or do receive regarding the potential newsgroup to
MathGroup.  I still think it is not appropriate, but I will
err on the side of fairness. The emails will follow this mail
barring any mailer problems elsewhere.  I will label each
email with the prefix [VOTE] so you may easily delete them
if you are not interested. I hope that this is now acceptable
to everyone.  - steve c.]

Steve,

>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 00:24:17 +0500
>From: steve at christensen.cybernetics.net (Steve Christensen)
>Subject: [mg544] vote emails
>To: mathgroup at christensen.cybernetics.net
>
>MathGroupers:
>
>I have been receiving a lot of thoughtful email mostly pro and a few
>con regarding the vote on the Mathematica newsgroup.  As moderator I do
>not think that this mail should be reposted to the group.
>...

Steve, I must protest.

You posted your point of view to the entire mathgroup mailing-list (which
you say totals thousands of people). I happen to have a different point of
view, which I think others may be interested in hearing. This opinion
has not been expressed before.

Please give me equal time.

I append by reply to the mathgroup again, and hope you will reconsider
posting it.

People may disagree with me, as you do, but I don't see why you should
have to moderate my comment outs. That just seems grossly unfair doesn't it?

The issue for the proposed newgroup is whether it be moderated or not.
If people agree with you, then you have nothing to fear by posting
my comments.

Terry.

[I am posting a CC of this to David C Lawrence. Sorry David if you are
 not interested in this matter, but I thought someone else should know
 what is happening with this comp.soft-sys.math.mathematica proposal.
 If this matter is not resolved fairly, I may post to news.groups as
 well, but I really don't want to start a flame war.]



Here is my reply to your mathgroup posting:

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 15:51:11 +1100
From: TDR at vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: NEWSGROUP URGENT!!!
To: mathgroup at christensen.cybernetics.net
Cc: tdr at vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Message-id: <01HO3CN3XTTU9KOW79 at vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>


steve at christensen.cybernetics (Steve Christensen) writes

>I urge you VERY STRONGLY to vote YES for the formation of this
>moderated group.  The mailing list has grown so large that I am
>sending out many many thousands of emails per day and this slows
>down the transmission of questions, answers and information to 
>you.  If you have the ability to read newsgroups, the formation
>of a newsgroup will make it much easier for you.  When the group
>passes and is formed, I will send postings to both the newsgroup
>and mailing list.  No service will be lost.  I would assume that
>most of you will move off of the mailing list to the newsgroup.
>...

Just to be fair, I think it should be pointed out that if you
disagree with some aspect of the charter then you can actually
vote NO, so that the charter can be changed.

For example some people believe that an un-moderated group would be
better, as it would allow faster turn-around for question and answer
type postings. This was brought up during the RFD phase.

I want the newsgroup, but I also believe it would be better as an
un-moderated group given that I can always stay on this mailing-list
if I just wanted to receive moderated stuff.


>Even if you do not want to read the newsgroup but want to stay on
>the mailing list, a vote YES will help us all.  Please take a few
>minutes to send in your YES vote.

In the guidelines for newsgroup creation, it says:

  Q: Can the CFV be sent to mailing lists?
  A: Yes, but the people on the mailing list should be able to read the new
     group, if created, or else you have people voting on something they'll
     never see, which may cause some raised eyebrows.  And of course the
     mailing list should be intimately related to the subject of the
     proposed group.  Note that purposely excluding a directly related
     mailing list from seeing the CFV just because they're likely to
     vote no may also cause eyebrows to elevate.

So if you cannot or do not use newsgroups (and you worry about raised eyebrows)
then you really shouldn't cast a vote. Or at least just send an ABSTAIN in
that case.

I want the proposed group to be un-moderated so I will be sending a:
I vote NO on comp.soft-sys.math.mathematica

Terry.

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