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Re: Re: Hold, HoldForm, ReleaseHold when Plotting multiple functions

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  • Subject: [mg25562] Re: [mg25514] Re: [mg25481] Hold, HoldForm, ReleaseHold when Plotting multiple functions
  • From: "Benjamin A. Jacobson" <bjacobson at>
  • Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 03:36:09 -0400 (EDT)
  • Sender: owner-wri-mathgroup at

OK, after correcting several typos, I was able to solve part of the problem. 


tries to evaluate, for example, bandwidth[28.5,x].  Sean's bandwidth
function eventually evaluates something like FindRoot[f[28.5,x]==0].  Since
x is a symbol, FindRoot spits back a bunch of error messages.

You can avoid the error messages in two ways:
1) Plot[Evaluate[
      Map[Hold[bandwidth[#, x]] &, {28.5, 28.7, 28.9, 29.1, 29.3, 29.5, 29 .7,
           29.9}]]], {x, 140, 200}] does the job; or
2) Make sure that f, the function that includes FindRoot, doesn't evaluate
with symbolic arguments, by modifying the definition to
f[var1_?NumericQ,var2_?NumericQ, etc.].  

I prefer the 2nd way because the logic is clearer and because it has
applications besides Plot, Table, etc.  I find that, in general, whenever I
have a function that calls any numerical routine like FindRoot or NDSolve,
I can avoid problems by using _?NumericQ in the calling function.

In Sean's case, both these methods got rid of the error messages.  However,
they still don't produce the exact same plots as 

Plot[{bandwidth[28.5, x][[1]],
	bandwidth[28.7, x][[1]],
	bandwidth[28.9, x][[1]],
  	bandwidth[29.1, x][[1]],
  	bandwidth[29.3, x][[1]],
  	bandwidth[29.5, x][[1]],
  	bandwidth[29.7, x][[1]],
  	bandwidth[29.9, x][[1]]},{x,140,200}]
I can't see why the numerical results should be different, but I'll leave
that to others.

Ben Jacobson
Illumitech Inc.

At 11:50 PM 10/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Ok, I have attached the notebook showing an example of when
>Plot[Evaluate[...]..] does not work the same as explicitly listing each
>function you want to plot.  The error messages all come from FindRoot, one
>of the functions called by the functions I am trying to Plot.  One of the
>resondents to my message said that the only thing he could think of was
>"some weird interaction with another HoldAll function, like FindRoot".  That
>is exactly the case and this "weird interaction" has stalled several
>programming projects for me.  In one particular case using functions far
>more nested than the ones in this notebook, the result is that a certain set
>of functions gives different results when called within another function
>compared to what they give when called directly, so this "weird interaction"
>is a matter of some concern to me and has plagued me for a couple of years
>now.  If anyone has any light to shed on the matter, please respond to:
>Sean.Ross at
> <<FPOPO_tuningcurves.mathgroup.nb>> 
>Dr. Sean Ross
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