Re: Re: Limit[Sin[a*x]/(a*x), x -> Infinity]
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- Subject: [mg35840] Re: [mg35818] Re: Limit[Sin[a*x]/(a*x), x -> Infinity]
- From: Andrzej Kozlowski <andrzej at platon.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
- Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:16:26 -0400 (EDT)
- Sender: owner-wri-mathgroup at wolfram.com
On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 03:42 PM, Dana DeLouis wrote: > > Hello. I do not have an answer, as I am new also. > In Mathematica 4.2, Help says in part "...Limit therefore makes no > explicit assumptions about symbolic functions." Same for the Package > "NLimit." Therefore, I think we're out of luck here. You can't make assumptions in Limit. There are not enough general methods for such a mechanism to be really useful. > As an newbe observation, the only option for Limit (For Mathematica 4.2) > is "Direction." However, if you type ??Limit, there is another Option > listed that appears not to be documented. That option is "Analytic." I > thought maybe this would solve this type of problem, but it does not. I > do not know for sure what this option does. Anyone else?? This is meant for the situations when you use a custom defined function. For example: In[21]:= Limit[f[Sin[x]/x], x -> 0] Out[21]= Limit[f[Sin[x]/x], x -> 0] but In[22]:= Limit[f[Sin[x]/x], x -> 0, Analytic -> True] Out[22]= f[1] > > Information["Limit", LongForm -> True] > "Limit[expr, x->x0] finds the limiting value of \ > expr when x approaches x0... > > Attributes[Limit] = {Listable, Protected} > > Options[Limit] = {Analytic -> False, Direction -> Automatic} > > As a possible workaround, would substituting many values for "a" work? > Here is what I am thinking... > > v = Table[Random[Real, {0, 2*Pi}], {100}]; > > Union[(Limit[Sin[#1*x]/(#1*x), x -> Infinity] & ) /@ v] > > I get all zero's like you predicted for many values of a. > {0} > > If you try "Integers", then I get an "Indeterminate" because the limit > does not like "a" being 0. > > v = Table[Random[Integer, {-4, 4}], {10}]; > > Union[(Limit[Sin[#1*x]/(#1*x), x -> Infinity] & ) /@ v] > > > {0, Indeterminate} Actually the problem is that the function Sin[z]/z is singular at Infinity. Thus: In[26]:= Limit[Sin[z]/z, z -> Infinity, Direction -> -1] Out[26]= 0 In[27]:= Limit[Sin[z]/z, z -> Infinity, Direction -> -I] Out[27]= Infinity In other words the limit depends on the direction. So when you consider Limit[Sin[a z]/(a z), z -> Infinity] it is not clear in which direction the limit is being taken. This depends on whether a is real or not (as Bobby Treat already pointed this out in his message),and of course there is the special case a==0. Since Limit does nto allow assumptions to be entered if you know that you will be dealing with such cases frequently one approach is to redefine limit: Unprotect[Limit]; In[28]:= Limit[Sin[a_*x_]/(a_*x_), x_ -> Infinity] /; Im[a] == 0 && a != 0 = 0; Limit[Sin[a_*x_]/(a_*x_), x_ -> Infinity] /; Re[a] == 0 && a != 0 = Infinity; In[30]:= Protect[Limit]; Now you need to enter assumptions about a's or b's, e.g.: In[31]:= a/:Im[a]=0; In[32]:= a/:(aâ? 0)=True; this says a is a non-zero real. Limit will now return the expected answer: In[33]:= Limit[Sin[a*x]/(a*x), x -> Infinity] Out[33]= 0 similarly for the case when b is non zero and imaginary we will get: In[34]:= b /: Re[b] = 0; In[35]:= b /: b != 0 = True; In[36]:= Limit[Sin[b*x]/(b*x), x -> Infinity] Out[12]= Infinity If you are sure you are going to onl be dealing with non-zero real numbers you can redefine Limit to return always 0 in such cases, which may make it simpler to deal with a large number of them in one go. Andrzej Kozlowski Toyama International University JAPAN http://platon.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/andrzej/ > > -- > Dana > Windows XP & Mathematica 4.1 > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > "JM" <j_m_1967 at hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:<aiat23$5b0$1 at smc.vnet.net>... >> Sorry for 'refreshing' this message but does anyone know if I can >> define the assumption below. >> >> I don't want to write specific assumptions for each term in Limit >> since I have many different variables and forms of a. Is it possible >> to generalise the assumption? >> >> it would really help me (and I really don't want to have to buy any >> additional maths software). >> >> >> timreh719 at yahoo.com.tw (bryan) wrote in message >> news:<ahdf97$i36$1 at smc.vnet.net>... >>> Hi All : >>> I am also interesting in the solution of how to make an asumption > >>> in Mathematica. I can't find any method in Mathematica. If anybody >>> has the approch to do this , please send it to my e-mail too , Thank > >>> you all .. >>> >>> j_m_1967 at hotmail.com (JM) wrote in message >>> news:<ah8otr$aut$1 at smc.vnet.net>... >>>> I know that this should be 0 but why can't I get mathematica to >>>> think likewise. >>>> >>>> >>>> In[4]:= Limit[Sin[a*x]/(a*x),x->Infinity] >>>> >>>> Sin[a x] >>>> Out[4]= Limit[--------, x -> Infinity] >>>> a x >>>> >>>> Is the problem a? How can I specify the properties of or >>>> assumptions that may be made about a? >> > > >