RE: Re: Dynamic referencing AND hyperlinking for numbered equations
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- Subject: [mg34128] RE: [mg34029] Re: Dynamic referencing AND hyperlinking for numbered equations
- From: "DrBob" <majort at cox-internet.com>
- Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 04:29:40 -0400 (EDT)
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>>There is no underlining, no coloring, no special font, no nothing (well, it is a palette). Exactly. It's a palette. A palette obviously has things on it that we expect to click on. A single digit in a Mathematica notebook is not like that at all, and that's all I see when I add that dynamic reference. What would make us hover over it and notice anything in the status bar? I'm obviously still missing something here, which you can see in front of you but I can't. (I think.) >>you would expect this behavior If I slowly pass my mouse over it, look for a cell tag, and see it --- as you've described --- yes, THEN I could expect it. I simply can't (won't) do that with every number in every text or input cell in a Mathematica notebook, and I can't believe you do either. The UNIX and Windows interfaces aren't getting more Mac-like; they're getting more Web-like, which (based on what you're saying) isn't the same thing at all. We don't expect invisible hyperlinks in the middle of text on Web pages and we don't expect them in Mathematica notebooks either. If they WERE there in general, it would be exceedingly annoying, if not dangerous. On a Web page --- or in a notebook --- we want to know BEFORE we click on it that it's a hyperlink, and we don't want to find it hit-or-miss by hovering over everything on the screen. >> The real question --- the original question from Alexandre Costa --- is: how can we make a hyperlink corresponding to that dynamic reference? Even if it wasn't spelled out in so many words, that means a USEFUL hyperlink. Not just a VISIBLE hyperlink, but a mnemonic one that announces and explains itself to a casual observer, just like the hyperlinks in Web pages. That's what a hyperlink is... not just a way to get there, but a way to know you CAN get there, as well. The first is annoying at best, without the second. Bobby Treat -----Original Message----- From: Paul Abbott [mailto:paul at physics.uwa.edu.au] To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net Subject: [mg34128] RE: [mg34029] Re: Dynamic referencing AND hyperlinking for numbered equations Hi Bobby: >Perhaps on the Macintosh there's some clue that it's a hyperlink. No extra clue -- however, as you pass your mouse over it the CellTag is displayed in the StatusBar and, to be consistent with the action of other Mathematica palettes which display the aliases in the StatusBar and act as a hyperlink when clicked-on, you would expect this behaviour. (Macintosh users expect this consistency of behaviour. In my experience, Unix and Windows users don't, in general, though both OS are becoming more mac-like in this respect). >On my machine it's the digit 0. Exactly like that one. No underlining, no >coloring, no special font, no nothing. But what about a palette? E.g., try the CompleteCharacters.nb palette. There is no underlining, no coloring, no special font, no nothing (well, it is a palette). >Are you really going to click on it to see what happens? Go ahead. Try it. Well, why not? Isn't this a "reasonable" action? This is what Macintosh users do expect. >How could Macintosh users be constantly clicking on EVERYTHING in sight? No -- they expect _consistency_ of action throughout an application and the OS. >Even if I once knew that "0" was a hyperlink, I'd forget. You don't forget with palettes though? Cheers, Paul >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Abbott [mailto:paul at physics.uwa.edu.au] To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net >Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:37 PM >To: mathgroup at wolfram.com >Cc: drbob at bigfoot.com >Subject: [mg34128] RE: [mg34029] Re: Dynamic referencing AND hyperlinking for >numbered equations > >At 1:37 AM -0500 27/4/02, DrBob wrote: > >> >>If you put your mouse over the counter the CellTag is displayed. If >>you click on the counter you'll see that it is also a hyperlink! >> >>OK, but a hyperlink that looks like an integer isn't of any use. Who >>would know it's a hyperlink, hence who would click on it? So far, Paul >>Abbott would, but who else? > >I guess that most Macintosh users would try ... > >Cheers, > Paul > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Paul Abbott [mailto:paul at physics.uwa.edu.au] To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net >>Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:57 PM >>To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net >>Subject: [mg34128] [mg34029] Re: Dynamic referencing AND hyperlinking for >numbered >>equations >> >>In article <aab0ta$mg7$1 at smc.vnet.net>, >> Alexandre Costa <costa at fem.unicamp.br> wrote: >> >>> This creates a counter in one location that displays the value of >the >>> counter at the location of the CellTag. >>> >>> Now, What I want is having a hyperlink to that equation cell, at >the >>> same location where I previously placed the reference in the text >>cell. >> >>If you put your mouse over the counter the CellTag is displayed. If you >>click on the counter you'll see that it is also a hyperlink! >> >>Cheers, >> Paul >> >>____________________________________________________________________ >>Paul Abbott Phone: +61-8-9380-2734 >>Department of Physics Fax: +61-8-9380-1014 >>The University of Western Australia (CRICOS Provider No 00126G) >> >>35 Stirling Highway >>Crawley WA 6009 mailto:paul at physics.uwa.edu.au >>AUSTRALIA http://physics.uwa.edu.au/~paul > >____________________________________________________________________