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Re: Re: WeibullDistribution

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  • Subject: [mg42618] Re: [mg42590] Re: WeibullDistribution
  • From: Dr Bob <drbob at bigfoot.com>
  • Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 05:25:12 -0400 (EDT)
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I would think the CDF -- anchored as it is at its end-points -- would 
obscure things.

Fitting it will make a Chi-square goodness of fit look good, but perhaps at 
the cost of really fitting the shape of the PDF.

Bobby

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 03:45:09 -0400 (EDT), Bill Rowe 
<listuser at earthlink.net> wrote:

> On 7/16/03 at 9:13 AM, robert.nowak at ims.co.at (Robert Nowak) wrote:
>
>> what about doing a NonlinearFit on the empirical CDF of the data
>> against the CDF of the desired dsitribution. are there any
>> tehoretical issues against such a fit ?
>
> Yes, you can use NolinearFit to fit the empricial CDF of the data to the 
> theorectical CDF. And yes, there are pros and cons.
>
> The primary disadvantage of using NonlinearFit is the difficulty in 
> finding the true least squares fit, i.e., the set of paramerters that 
> makes the summed square error globally minimal. It is often the case 
> there are several local minina and it is easy for the non-linear 
> algogrithm to get trapped in a local minima. And the real difficulty is 
> there is no simple way of determining when this happens.
>
> The primary advantage of using NonlinearFit is you truly are minimizing 
> the least squares. This is particularly important when you want 
> confidence limits on the fitted parameters. If you assume the usual 
> model, i.e., the errors are normally distributed about the regression 
> curve then you can use the usual normal distribution based statistics to 
> compute the confidence limit. In fact, this is what NonlinearRegress does 
> assume when it computes confidence limits.
>
> It is possible to correctly compute confidence limits with the 
> transformed problem. But this is much more difficult to do correctly.
>
>> of course is see that linear fitting is much more elegant but isn't
>> there a danger to get som bias in the estimated parameters due to the
>> transformations isn't it neccessary to weight the data properly to
>> take the transformations into account ?
>
>> From a practical standpoint, no the linear fit to the transformed 
>> problem is good as is with out adjustments. Generally, the uncertainty 
>> in the fitted parameters is larger than the bias particularly when 
>> attempting to find parameters for a given distribution. Also it is very 
>> easy with the Weibull distribution to make point estimates based on two 
>> selected quantiles. These can easily be made free of bias and compared 
>> to the estimates from the transformed regression problem.
>
>



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Bobby R. Treat


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