Re: Re: Re: How to simplify to a result that is real
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- Subject: [mg50801] Re: [mg50788] Re: [mg50735] Re: How to simplify to a result that is real
- From: Bob Hanlon <hanlonr at cox.net>
- Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:10:59 -0400 (EDT)
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ArcTan[x, y] and ArcTan[y/x] are in general not the same. Plot3D[ArcTan[y/x],{x,-2,2},{y,-2,2}]; Plot3D[ArcTan[x,y],{x,-2,2},{y,-2,2}]; ch=Integrate[1/(a+b Cos[t]),{t,0,c},Assumptions->{a>b>0,0<c<Pi}]; ch = Simplify[ComplexExpand[ch, TargetFunctions->{Re,Im}],{a>b>0,0<c<Pi}]; ch = TrigToExp[ch]; ch = Simplify[ComplexExpand[ch, TargetFunctions->{Re,Im}],{a>b>0,0<c<Pi}] (ArcTan[Sqrt[(a - b)/(a + b)]*Tan[c/2]] + ArcTan[((a - b)*Tan[c/2])/ Sqrt[a^2 - b^2]])/Sqrt[a^2 - b^2] Bob Hanlon > > From: Richard Chen <richard at doubleprime.com> To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > Date: 2004/09/21 Tue AM 03:49:05 EDT > To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > Subject: [mg50801] [mg50788] Re: [mg50735] Re: How to simplify to a result that is real > > I have seen quite a few responses here. I'll just Thank all of you > with one response. > > I still feel that at this stage, simplifying expressions > in mathematica is still a kind of art and requires intimate knowledge > of how esoteric mathematica options work. For example, > I just tried this technique on a problem which is essentially > the same: > > ch = Integrate[1/(a + b Cos[t]), {t, 0, c}, > Assumptions -> {a > b > 0, 0 < c < Pi}] > > FullSimplify[ComplexExpand[ch, TargetFunctions -> {Re, Im}], { > a > b > 0, 0 < c < Pi}] > > This time, mathematica comes back with an expression involving > ArcTan[u,v] which is just ArcTan[v/u], by direct inspection. > So the 2 terms involving different ArcTan are actually the same. > But I cannot easily make Mathematica to recognize that they > are the same. Even if I use the rule ArcTan[u_,v_]->ArcTan[v/u] > it still does not think the 2 expressions are the same. It is easier > to simply copy and paste an anwser than manipulate mathematica > to get a simpler result. > > Perhaps future versions of mathematica will be smarter and does not > require as much intervention from the user. > > Thanks > > Richard > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 05:48:55AM -0400, Peter Valko wrote: > > Richard Chen <richard at doubleprime.com> wrote in message news: <cidt38$brv$1 at smc.vnet.net>... > > > The command: > > > > > > Integrate[1/(1 + e Cos[t]), {t, 0, a}, > > > Assumptions -> {-1 < e < 1, 0 < a < Pi}] > > > > > > leads to a complex valued result. I could not make > > > mathematica to render the result in a form that is > > > purely real. ComplexExpand, Refine all do not seem to work. > > > > > > Does anyone know how to make mathematica to simplify this > > > result into a real form? > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > Richard, > > > > I think this will work: > > > > > > ch = Integrate[1/(1 + e Cos[t]), {t, 0, a}, Assumptions -> {-1 < e < > > 1, 0 < a < Pi}] > > > > FullSimplify[ComplexExpand[ch, TargetFunctions -> {Re, Im}], {-1 < e < > > 1, 0 < a < Pi}] > > > > > > The result is > > > > (-2*ArcTan[((-1 + e)*Tan[a/2])/Sqrt[1 - e^2]])/Sqrt[1 - e^2] > > > > > > Peter > > > >