Re: Re: Integrate is driving me crazy, please help!
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- Subject: [mg56194] Re: Re: [mg56184] Integrate is driving me crazy, please help!
- From: Bob Hanlon <hanlonr at cox.net>
- Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:54:50 -0400 (EDT)
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The symbolic solution can be further simplified for hillb^2>4a^2*f^2*Pi^2 soln2=Simplify[soln,hillb^2>4a^2*f^2*Pi^2] (1/(2*f*Pi*Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2]))* (2*(f0 + hilla)*ArcTan[(2*a*f*Pi)/Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2]]*hillb^2 + Pi*(f0*hillb*(Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2] - hillb) + hilla*(-hillb^2 + Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2]*hillb - 4*a*f*Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2]))) Bob Hanlon > > From: Bob Hanlon <hanlonr at cox.net> To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > Date: 2005/04/18 Mon AM 06:34:33 EDT > To: Jim Martin <jim.martin at utah.edu>, <mathgroup at smc.vnet.net> > Subject: [mg56194] Re: [mg56184] Integrate is driving me crazy, please help! > > Use square brackets for all functions > > asmp={Element[{a,f,f0,hilla,hillb}, Reals], > a>0,hillb>0}; > > soln = Simplify[Integrate[ > (hillb*((f0+hilla)/ > (2*Pi*f*a*Cos[ArcSin[x/a]]+hillb)))- > hilla,{x,-a,a}],asmp] > > (1/(2*f*Pi*Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2]))* > (2*(f0 + hilla)*ArcTan[(2*a*f*Pi)/Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2]]*hillb^2 - > I*(f0 + hilla)*Log[-(I/(2*Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2]))]*hillb^2 + > I*f0*Log[I/(2*Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2])]*hillb^2 + > I*hilla*Log[I/(2*Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2])]*hillb^2 + > f0*Pi*Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2]*hillb + hilla*Pi*Sqrt[hillb^2 - > 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2]* > hillb - 4*a*f*hilla*Pi*Sqrt[hillb^2 - 4*a^2*f^2*Pi^2]) > > Simplify[soln/.{hilla->3,hillb->50,f0->8,a->1,f->1}] > > 269 - 6875/Sqrt[625 - Pi^2] + (13750*ArcTan[Pi/Sqrt[625 - Pi^2]])/ > (Pi*Sqrt[625 - Pi^2]) > > %//N > > 14.0372 > > > Bob Hanlon > > > > > From: Jim Martin <jim.martin at utah.edu> To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > > Date: 2005/04/18 Mon AM 03:08:44 EDT > > Subject: [mg56194] [mg56184] Integrate is driving me crazy, please help! > > > > Hello Mathematica Experts: > > > > I am a biomechanist and work mostly in the area of muscle contraction. I > > do a lot of numerical computations using excel, but right now I need an > > analytical solution that represents force as a function of position > > integrated over a shortening amplitude. I downloaded a trial version of > > Mathematica and have tried to obtain a solution for this: > > > > Integrate[(hillb*((f0 + hilla)/(2*pi*f*a*Cos(ArcSin(x/a)) + hillb))) - > > hilla, {x, -a, a}] > > > > Mathematica returns this: > > (-4 a ArcSin Cos f hilla pi + (f0 + hilla) hillb (-Log[hillb - 2 a > > ArcSin Cos f pi] + Log[hillb + 2 a ArcSin Cos f pi]))/(4 a ArcSin > > Cos f pi) > > > > I know the line wrap makes this hard to read so please feel free to > > email me and I can send you the output as a picture. > > > > In a sample data set, hilla=3, hillb=50, f0=8, a=1, f=1 > > > > I can numerically integrate this function and obtain a value for that > > sample data set of 14.04. When I put those sample values into the > > solution that Mathematica produces, I get 10.01. > > > > Can any of you please give a hand here? I must be making some simple > > Mathematica-beginner error but I just can't see it. > > > > In Mathematica, Log is Log to base e, right (LN in excel)? Did I use > > variables that have intrinsic functions in Mathematica? Maybe I am > > misunderstanding the output with regard to implicit parentheses etc. > > Any help appreciated! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > > > > > > >