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Re: Simplify and FullSimplify

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  • Subject: [mg58551] Re: [mg58547] Simplify and FullSimplify
  • From: Andrzej Kozlowski <akozlowski at>
  • Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:35:40 -0400 (EDT)
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On 6 Jul 2005, at 16:11, fizzy wrote:

> A result of a calculation I was doing generated this expression....
> q-q Exp[-a x] + c Exp[-a x]
> naturally my next step was Simplify and I thought I'd  get the Exp 
> [- ax]
> my complete surprize I got the following:
> Exp[-a x] (c + (-1+ Exp[a x]) q
> How on Earth did Mathematica come up with this?   I checked  
> FullSimplify
> which did collect Exp[-a x]....
> On re-reading my question before I submitted it, I see that with
> Simplify Mathematica  'collected' using Exp[- a x] q.....of course,
> visually this expression seems quite complex and would seem to take  
> much
> more 'thinking' to get ......why do Simplify and FullSimplify have  
> such
> a vast difference in what is considered 'Simpler'?
> Thanks....Jerry Blimbaum

They do not differ at all in what is considered Simpler (Adam  
Strzebonski once published here the default ComplexityFunction which  
is the same for both) but FullSimplify applies a lot more  
transformation rules.

I have no idea what transformation function in FullSimplify is  
responsible for this simplification. However, here is a  
transformation fucntion I have manufactured:

f[expr_] := First[Sort[(Collect[expr, #1] & ) /@
      Level[expr, {1, Infinity}],
     LeafCount[#1] <= LeafCount[#2] & ]]

With this transformation function you will get:

Simplify[(-E^((-a)*x))*q + q + c/E^(a*x),
   TransformationFunctions -> {Automatic, f}]

(c - q)/E^(a*x) + q

What f[expr] does is to try to Collect expr with respect to all  
subexpressions of expr at levels 1 to Infinity and then choose the  
form that has the least LeafCount. Obviously this is time consuming  
for complicated expressions. Possibly FullSimplify uses something  

Andrzej Kozlowski

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