Re: Re: Re: Reduction of Radicals

*To*: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net*Subject*: [mg71969] Re: [mg71948] Re: [mg71932] Re: [mg71902] Reduction of Radicals*From*: Andrzej Kozlowski <akoz at mimuw.edu.pl>*Date*: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:04:03 -0500 (EST)*References*: <200612031126.GAA08075@smc.vnet.net> <200612041139.GAA02996@smc.vnet.net> <200612051104.GAA27240@smc.vnet.net>

Of course this is completely true. But perhaps it has somewhat obscured the point I was trying to make, which was meant to answer Dimitris's question: "why is Mathematica's convention about principal parts in variance with those of classical algebraist's?" It seems to me that the answer is simply that they (the classical algebraists and perhaps some of their modern successors) did not care about the relation with "principal values" of multivalued functions in analysis and did not even know about them (Vieta, for one, live a whole century before Euler). Even in certain modern texts on algebra the relationship between radicals and logarithms is not relevant, so it is not surprising that some authors even today may find it convenient even today to use different "principal values' when working in a purely algebraic setting. The point I was making about computer algebra programs like Mathematica is that with their universal scope why have to be consistent across both algebra and analysis in a way that a book on, say, Galois theory, need not be. Andrzej Kozlowski On 5 Dec 2006, at 20:04, Murray Eisenberg wrote: > That Mathematica gives value I Pi for Log[-1] is consistent with the > most common convention is that the principal argument, Arg, of a > nonzero > complex number z satisfies -Pi < Arg[z] <= Pi. > > Then the usual definition of the principal logarithm, Log, is > > Log[z] = Log[Abs[z]] + I Arg[z], > > and the multi-valued argument function, arg, would be given as: > > arg[z] = set of all Arg[z] + n 2 Pi I (n an integer) > > The multi-valued logarithm, log, would be given as > > log[z] = Log[Abs[z]] + I arg[z]. > > In this case one can define > > z^w = Exp[w log[z]] > > and the principal value of this as Exp[w Log[z]]. > > Andrzej Kozlowski wrote: >> ... >> The issue of which branch of a multivalued function should be chosen >> as the so called "principal branch" is, of course, a matter of >> convention. Since Mathematica defines Power[x,y] as Exp[y Log[x]], >> the issue of what is (-1)^(1/3) is equivalent to choosing the value >> of Log[-1]. Mathematica chooses the value >> >> Log[-1] >> >> I*Pi >> >> Of course once that is decided, everything else follows: >> >> FullSimplify[(-1)^(1/3) - Exp[(1/3)*I*Pi]] >> 0 >> >> >> It seems to me (though it is not something that lies within the scope >> of my "professional" interest), that before the advent of computer >> algebra there no need was felt for a uniform way of choosing >> principal values for various multivalued functions that occur in >> algebra and analysis. In other words, the relation >> >> x^y = Exp[y,Log[x]] >> >> was not treated as the definition of x^y, but as a relation that held >> only up to the choice of branches of the multivalued functions >> involved. So it seems to me that it was always thought that the >> natural choice for Log[-1] is I Pi, but before computer algebra >> systems appeared it was not necessarily felt that the "principal >> value" of x^(1/3) is the one that makes x^y = Exp[y,Log[x]] hold. >> Note that to keep this relation true and to have the principal value >> of the cube root of -1 equal to -1, one would have do choose 3 I Pi >> as the principal value of Log[-1], which does not seem very natural. > > -- > Murray Eisenberg murray at math.umass.edu > Mathematics & Statistics Dept. > Lederle Graduate Research Tower phone 413 549-1020 (H) > University of Massachusetts 413 545-2859 (W) > 710 North Pleasant Street fax 413 545-1801 > Amherst, MA 01003-9305 >

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**Re: Re: Reduction of Radicals***From:*Murray Eisenberg <murray@math.umass.edu>

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