Re: RE: Re: Re: Limit of an expression?
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- Subject: [mg67713] Re: [mg67690] RE: [mg67608] Re: [mg67557] Re: Limit of an expression?
- From: Andrzej Kozlowski <akoz at mimuw.edu.pl>
- Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:18:24 -0400 (EDT)
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David, It only now dawned on me that you wrote earlier you were using Windows 98. That of course, changes the whole picture: I would be very surprised if what you described below still works like this on more recent versions of Windows. I hope someone will let us know. Andrzej Kozlowski PS. It somehow did not occur to me that there are still people using Windows 98, partly because I personally do not know anyone still using Mac OS 9, and partly because I witnessed already over two years ago computers being given away free at a Japanese university with Windows 2000 pre-installed. I even thought of taking one myself but gave up the idea because I did not have any space for it. I still keep my original Mac Plus of course ;-) On 4 Jul 2006, at 14:59, David Park wrote: > This is what I get if I do a straight copy and paste on the > following expression with Greek letters and the weak inequality sign. > > 2\[Alpha] + 3\[Pi] <= 3 > > It can be copied and pasted (I paste it back as Plain Text using > Paste As to get the correct font size - but I think that is a > result of some of my Windows settings.) The letters appear as > proper Greek letters in the notebook. > > The real problem is when there is a boxed expression. Then I > convert it to InputForm to give, for example, the following. > > Integrate[E^x, x] > > This will paste back in as is, that is as InputForm, but it can be > converted to StandardForm with the boxed structures simply by > placing the cursor in the cell and typing Shift-Ctrl-N. > > I'll admit that the longer expressions for Greek letters is not > quite as nice in a posting but it can all be copied and pasted and > works properly in notebooks for everyone. > > David Park > djmp at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~djmp/ > > From: Andrzej Kozlowski [mailto:akoz at mimuw.edu.pl] To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > > David, > > InputForm (and Copy As Text) have no effect at all on Greek symbols, > at least on Mac OS X with Apple Mail (however, I don't think the e- > mail client could have anything to do with this). The other thing > that sometimes causes problems is the weak inequality sign: <= and > in this case converting to InputForm does help. I sometimes forget to > do this because after pasting the TraditinalForm of weak inequality > into Mail it continues to look fine. However, in the case of Greek > symbols there is no other choice that I know of but replacing them by > Latin letters. I believe that doing this is up to the original poster > of a message and not up to people responding to it. > > > Andrzej Kozlowski > > > On 4 Jul 2006, at 01:37, David Park wrote: > >> Andrzej, >> >> I'm running on Windows98 with Microsoft Outlook 2000 Version >> 9.0.0.2711. I cannot afford to update soon. >> >> My email is set to Unicode UTF-8 encoding for both sending and >> receiving. >> >> I cannot read or use much of the code you paste into postings. >> >> As for me, I have a palette on my desktop that will copy and >> convert Mathematica code to InputForm, which I then paste into my >> postings. I'm under the impression that everybody can read them and >> copy and paste them into notebooks. >> >> David Park >> djmp at earthlink.net >> http://home.earthlink.net/~djmp/ >> >> >> From: Andrzej Kozlowski [mailto:akoz at mimuw.edu.pl] To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net >> >> >> On 3 Jul 2006, at 06:32, Andrzej Kozlowski wrote: >> >>> If you past into mail program a Greek letter form Mathematica or >>> the sign � the entire message will be posted as Unicode. These >>> messages when they return to me sometimes appear illegible (because >>> of the way the mail server is set up) but one mouse move to the >>> TextEncoding menu makes them legible. I do not think it is to much >>> to exact that Mathgroup users should learn to use their e-mail >>> programs. >> >> >> I think I had better explain it more carefully. The MathGroup server >> is, in fact, set up correctly; sorry for claiming otherwise. For >> example, the message I posted containing the text below: >> >> (Limit[(1 - E^((- >> µ)*t*(s - 1 - λ/µ)))/ >> (s - 1 - λ/µ), >> t -> Infinity, >> Assumptions -> >> {µ > 0 && #1[s, >> 1 + λ/µ]}] & ) /@ >> {Greater, Equal, Less} >> >> {-(µ/(λ - s*µ + µ)), >> 0, Infinity} >> >> was copied (as InputForm) from a Mathematica notebook and posted with >> Apple's Mail. Because of the presence of Greek characters it was sent >> automatically (I did not even think about it) as Unicode. When I >> received it back from the MathGroup mail server it was perfectly >> legible, since Mail recognized it as Unicode automatically (that >> means the server did not insert any false encoding information as >> some baldy set up mail servers are want to do). However, when I >> received a message from David, containing a quote from my original >> message, the above text was not legible, since the header of David's >> message contained the information >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> which prevents the text being automatically recognized as Unicode by >> Mail. However, in such a case selecting the message and performing a >> simple move with the pointer to the item Text Encoding in Mail's >> Message menu and choosing Unicode (UTF-8) makes everything appear >> legible again. After that it can be pasted into Mathematica without >> any further problems. >> Here I am tempted to add a personal observation. From my past >> experience on several mailing lists I have noticed that people who >> complain about similar problems are almost always Windows users. I am >> not saying that Windows mail programs are inferior to Mac ones, in >> fact I am quite sure that they can do all the same things and perhaps >> even more. However, it seems to me that it would be almost >> impossible for an Apple Mail user to fail to notice the Text >> Encoding menu and at least to wonder what it might be for. I suspect >> that users of Microsoft programs are so accustomed to having a large >> number of menus and buttons and so on whose purpose they do not >> understand they never even ask such questions. >> >> Andrzej Kozlowski >> Tokyo, Japan >> >> >> > >
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- RE: Re: Re: Limit of an expression?
- From: "David Park" <djmp@earthlink.net>
- RE: Re: Re: Limit of an expression?