RE: RE: Re: Re: Limit of an expression?
- To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net
- Subject: [mg67718] RE: [mg67690] RE: [mg67608] Re: [mg67557] Re: Limit of an expression?
- From: "Ingolf Dahl" <ingolf.dahl at telia.com>
- Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:18:48 -0400 (EDT)
- Sender: owner-wri-mathgroup at wolfram.com
I run Windows XP, fully updated, and it behaves as described by David Park, but my email encoding in Microsoft Outlook is by default set to AutoSelect with Western European (ISO) as preferred encoding. Now I only on rare occasions see any encoding problems (except for Chinese spam), so I would prefer not to change this setting. There might be other good reasons for David Park to get a newer computer, but this is not such a reason. But if anyone with Mac could test my SetFaceAndFont palette, I should really appreciate some feedback! How does the CopyAsInputFormK button manage these Greek letters, when pasted into Apple Mail? Will they show up as \[Alpha] or as a regular Greek letter, or as something else? Ingolf Dahl http://web.telia.com/~u31815170/Mathematica/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrzej Kozlowski [mailto:akoz at mimuw.edu.pl] To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > Subject: [mg67718] Re: [mg67690] RE: [mg67608] Re: [mg67557] Re: Limit > of an expression? > > > It only now dawned on me that you wrote earlier you were > using Windows 98. That of course, changes the whole picture: > I would be very surprised if what you described below still > works like this on more recent versions of Windows. I hope > someone will let us know. > > Andrzej Kozlowski > > PS. It somehow did not occur to me that there are still > people using Windows 98, partly because I personally do not > know anyone still using Mac OS 9, and partly because I > witnessed already over two years ago computers being given > away free at a Japanese university with Windows 2000 > pre-installed. I even thought of taking one myself but gave > up the idea because I did not have any space for it. I still > keep my original Mac Plus of course ;-) > > > > > On 4 Jul 2006, at 14:59, David Park wrote: > > > This is what I get if I do a straight copy and paste on the > following > > expression with Greek letters and the weak inequality sign. > > > > 2\[Alpha] + 3\[Pi] <= 3 > > > > It can be copied and pasted (I paste it back as Plain Text > using Paste > > As to get the correct font size - but I think that is a > result of some > > of my Windows settings.) The letters appear as proper Greek > letters in > > the notebook. > > > > The real problem is when there is a boxed expression. Then > I convert > > it to InputForm to give, for example, the following. > > > > Integrate[E^x, x] > > > > This will paste back in as is, that is as InputForm, but it can be > > converted to StandardForm with the boxed structures simply > by placing > > the cursor in the cell and typing Shift-Ctrl-N. > > > > I'll admit that the longer expressions for Greek letters is > not quite > > as nice in a posting but it can all be copied and pasted and works > > properly in notebooks for everyone. > > > > David Park > > djmp at earthlink.net > > http://home.earthlink.net/~djmp/ > > > > From: Andrzej Kozlowski [mailto:akoz at mimuw.edu.pl] To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > > To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > > > > David, > > > > InputForm (and Copy As Text) have no effect at all on Greek > symbols, > > at least on Mac OS X with Apple Mail (however, I don't think the e- > > mail client could have anything to do with this). The other > thing that > > sometimes causes problems is the weak inequality sign: <= > and in this > > case converting to InputForm does help. I sometimes forget > to do this > > because after pasting the TraditinalForm of weak inequality > into Mail > > it continues to look fine. However, in the case of Greek > symbols there > > is no other choice that I know of but replacing them by > Latin letters. > > I believe that doing this is up to the original poster of a message > > and not up to people responding to it. > > > > > > Andrzej Kozlowski > > > > > > On 4 Jul 2006, at 01:37, David Park wrote: > > > >> Andrzej, > >> > >> I'm running on Windows98 with Microsoft Outlook 2000 Version > >> 9.0.0.2711. I cannot afford to update soon. > >> > >> My email is set to Unicode UTF-8 encoding for both sending and > >> receiving. > >> > >> I cannot read or use much of the code you paste into postings. > >> > >> As for me, I have a palette on my desktop that will copy > and convert > >> Mathematica code to InputForm, which I then paste into my > postings. > >> I'm under the impression that everybody can read them and copy and > >> paste them into notebooks. > >> > >> David Park > >> djmp at earthlink.net > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~djmp/ > >> > >> > >> From: Andrzej Kozlowski [mailto:akoz at mimuw.edu.pl] To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > > To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net > >> > >> > >> On 3 Jul 2006, at 06:32, Andrzej Kozlowski wrote: > >> > >>> If you past into mail program a Greek letter form > Mathematica or the > >>> sign � the entire message will be posted as Unicode. > These messages > >>> when they return to me sometimes appear illegible (because of the > >>> way the mail server is set up) but one mouse move to the > >>> TextEncoding menu makes them legible. I do not think it > is to much > >>> to exact that Mathgroup users should learn to use their e-mail > >>> programs. > >> > >> > >> I think I had better explain it more carefully. The > MathGroup server > >> is, in fact, set up correctly; sorry for claiming otherwise. For > >> example, the message I posted containing the text below: > >> > >> (Limit[(1 - E^((- > >> µ)*t*(s - 1 - λ/µ)))/ > >> (s - 1 - λ/µ), > >> t -> Infinity, > >> Assumptions -> > >> {µ > 0 && #1[s, > >> 1 + λ/µ]}] & ) /@ > >> {Greater, Equal, Less} > >> > >> {-(µ/(λ - s*µ + µ)), > >> 0, Infinity} > >> > >> was copied (as InputForm) from a Mathematica notebook and > posted with > >> Apple's Mail. Because of the presence of Greek characters > it was sent > >> automatically (I did not even think about it) as Unicode. When I > >> received it back from the MathGroup mail server it was perfectly > >> legible, since Mail recognized it as Unicode automatically (that > >> means the server did not insert any false encoding information as > >> some baldy set up mail servers are want to do). However, when I > >> received a message from David, containing a quote from my original > >> message, the above text was not legible, since the header > of David's > >> message contained the information > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> which prevents the text being automatically recognized as > Unicode by > >> Mail. However, in such a case selecting the message and > performing a > >> simple move with the pointer to the item Text Encoding in Mail's > >> Message menu and choosing Unicode (UTF-8) makes everything appear > >> legible again. After that it can be pasted into > Mathematica without > >> any further problems. > >> Here I am tempted to add a personal observation. From my past > >> experience on several mailing lists I have noticed that people who > >> complain about similar problems are almost always Windows > users. I am > >> not saying that Windows mail programs are inferior to Mac ones, in > >> fact I am quite sure that they can do all the same things > and perhaps > >> even more. However, it seems to me that it would be almost > >> impossible for an Apple Mail user to fail to notice the Text > >> Encoding menu and at least to wonder what it might be for. > I suspect > >> that users of Microsoft programs are so accustomed to > having a large > >> number of menus and buttons and so on whose purpose they do not > >> understand they never even ask such questions. > >> > >> Andrzej Kozlowski > >> Tokyo, Japan > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >