Re: Re: General--Making the DisplayFormula style in ArticleModern look like Traditional
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- Subject: [mg64718] Re: [mg64696] Re: General--Making the DisplayFormula style in ArticleModern look like Traditional
- From: Paul Abbott <paul at physics.uwa.edu.au>
- Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 04:11:38 -0500 (EST)
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On 28/2/06, Daniel Lichtblau wrote:
>Traditional form is intrinsically ambiguous. Some of these things
>can be fixed, but not all (ergo, not all are bugs). This format
>should not be used for input.
No -- all of these things can be fixed (via appropriate TagBoxes).
>Let me elaborate on one remark above. TraditionalForm is not exactly
>"available as a Mathematica input form". It is available, period.
>Which is to say, it is there, and in principle can be used for any
>type of cell, including Input. But it should not be used in that
>particular setting, because it is ambiguous.
Not with TagBoxes.
>There are other reasons I vastly prefer StandrdForm in Input cells.
>But ambiguity, unlike my opinions, is a matter of hard unavoidable
>fact. It is the solid basis for the claim that TraditionalForm
>should not be used in that particular setting.
Amusing -- but ambiguity _is_ avoidable.
>Let me put it this way. Mathematica uses square brackets instead of
>parentheses for procedure invocation (more correctly, XXXValues).
>This is by intent and for a compelling reason. While one can and
>should use traditional formatting in the context of mathematical
>exposition, actual code is not the place to reintroduce the
>ambiguities that the language design rather specifically avoids.
I disagree with the thrust of your argument.
>Coincidently, last night I received a notebook that appears to
>indicate a speed bump in some integer arithmetic code. The function
>and tests are presented in TraditionalForm. It is taking me longer
>than it ought to pare down the problem because reformatting is not
>working very well (which may be a bug) and I cannot otherwise
>isolate the slow spot. My point is that this isn't an abstraction;
>use of TraditionalForm in input has real costs to productivity.
Again I disagree. Select all input cells and do a "Convert to
StandardForm". This should not take long, and will, I'm sure, make
you feel more comfortable.
If the conversion is not correct then there is a problem (a bug) with
the Mathematica implementation of TraditionalForm. Essentially, the
necessary TagBoxes required to make the conversion unambiguous must
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