Re: Why doesn't Mathematica solve this simple differential equation?
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- Subject: [mg69254] Re: Why doesn't Mathematica solve this simple differential equation?
- From: Peter Pein <petsie at dordos.net>
- Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:46:58 -0400 (EDT)
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Joseph Gwinn schrieb: > Here is the system I'm trying to solve. It's an electrical circuit > consisting of a capacitor C1 (with initial voltage 4.0 volts), a > resistor R1, and a diode in series. > > > Approach 1: > > eqns11 = {Q1'[t] == -Iloop[t], Q1[t] == C1*Vc[t], Vr[t] == > R1*Is*Exp[Vd[t]/0.026], Vc[t] == Vr[t] + Vd[t], Vc[0] == 4.0} > > eqns12 = eqns11 /. {C1 -> 1.0*10^-6, R1 -> 16, Is -> 10^-13} > > eqns12soln = NDSolve[eqns12, Q1, {t, 0, 1}] > You want to solve for Q1. Unless there is an dependency in a previous definition of Iloop between Q1 and the voltages, the relevant equations remaining are: Q1'[t] == -Iloop[t] and Q1[t] == C1*Vc[t] with unknown(?) Iloop. Obviously this can not be solved. > > Approach 2: > > eqns21 = {Vc'[t] == -Id[t]/C1, Vc[t] == 0.026*Log[Id[t]/Is] + R1*Id[t], > Vc[0] == 4.0} > > eqns22 = eqns11 /. {C1 -> 1.0*10^-6, R1 -> 16, Is -> 10^-13} > > eqns22soln = NDSolve[eqns22, Vc, {t, 0, 1}] The same happens here more functions (all undefined?) than equations. > > > Both approaches fail with Mathematica complaining that "NDSolve::ndode: > Input is not an ordinary differential equation". > > Another, simpler, problem (same circuit but without the R1) solves > happily, so long as I eliminate all intermediate variables manually. > > eqns1 = {Vd'[t] == -Is*Exp[Vd[t]/0.026]/C, Vd[0] == 4.0} > > eqns2 = eqns1 /. {C -> 1.0*10^-6, Is -> 10^-13} > > eqns2soln = NDSolve[eqns2, Vd, {t, 0, 1}] > One function, one equation - Mathematica is happy > > Any ideas? > > Joe Gwinn > consider this example, where elimination is trivial: In[4]:= DSolve[{f'[x] == g[x] - f[x], g[x] == Sin[x]}, f[x], x] From In[4]:= "DSolve::deqx: Supplied equations are not differential equations of the given functions." Out[4]= DSolve[{f'[x] == g[x] - f[x], g[x] == Sin[x]}, f[x], x] and In[5]:= DSolve[ Eliminate[{f'[x] == g[x] - f[x], g[x] == Sin[x]}, g[x]], f, x] solves the deq. HTH Peter