Re: Re: problem with Pick

*To*: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net*Subject*: [mg78249] Re: [mg78222] Re: [mg78194] problem with Pick*From*: Andrzej Kozlowski <akoz at mimuw.edu.pl>*Date*: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:18:26 -0400 (EDT)*References*: <acbec1a40706230431p4f1db9a9i4320680dda027396@mail.gmail.com> <200706260830.EAA05573@smc.vnet.net> <76C6BC8F-C94E-4574-BEFB-9903EFEDAA86@mimuw.edu.pl>

On 26 Jun 2007, at 21:18, Andrzej Kozlowski wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate > (tm) Pro* > > On 26 Jun 2007, at 17:30, Chris Chiasson wrote: > >> On 6/25/07, Oyvind Tafjord <tafjord at wolfram.com> wrote: >>> Chris Chiasson wrote: >>>> On 6/25/07, Oyvind Tafjord <tafjord at wolfram.com> wrote: >>>>> In this case, sel={{},{1}}. sel[[]] matches patt, and so list >>>>> [[]] is >>>>> picked out. >>>>> >>>>> This behavior, in which all of list gets picked, does produce a >>>>> fair >>>>> amount >>>>> of confusion, unfortunately. It often shows up in connection >>>>> with Except: >>>>> >>>>> In[1]:= Pick[{a, b, c}, {1, 2, 3}, Except[2]] >>>>> Out[1]= {a, b, c} >>>>> >>>>> In[2]:= Pick[{a, b, c}, {1, 2, 3}, Except[2, _Integer]] >>>>> Out[2]= {a, c} >>>> >>>> Thank you for the reply. >>>> >>>> You seem to be implying that the above behavior is intended, even >>>> though it violates the documentation. I believe it is >>>> unintended, due >>>> to the following output, which seems to indicate that the >>>> matches are >>>> supposed to be checked on the first level: >>>> >>>> In[1]:= Pick[{a,b,c},SparseArray@{1,2,3},Except[2]] >>>> Pick[{a,b,c},{1,2,3},Except[2]] >>>> >>>> Out[1]= {a,c} >>>> >>>> Out[2]= {a,b,c} >>>> >>>> If I am wrong, then this SparseArray behavior is a bug, the >>>> documentation is wrong, and I suggest that an optional level >>>> argument >>>> be added to Pick. >>>> >>> >>> In what way does this behavior violate the documentation? It uses >>> the >>> statement you quoted: >>> >>> Pick[list,sel,patt] picks out those list[[i1,i2,...]] for which >>> sel[[i1,i2,...]] matches patt. >>> >>> with the 0-length version of i1,i2,... I agree this is often what >>> you don't >>> want though. >>> >>> The SparseArray case is treated differently, in this case only the >>> individual elements are treated as "selectors", for optimization and >>> usefulness. This could be explained better in the documentation. >>> >> >> Again, thank you for the reply. >> >> You're trying to have it one way for SparseArray and another way for >> lists, which makes no sense given the definition of Pick in the >> documentation. Pick should either match sel's "0-length version of >> i1,i2,..." or it should not*. >> >> In[1]:= MatchQ[(SparseArray@{1,2,3})[[]],Except@2] >> Out[1]= True >> >> I'll bet it doesn't take much CPU time to test this, either. Do you >> have an example where testing the entire SparseArray expression first >> would be absolutely unacceptable? Even if you do, I'd use that as an >> argument for Pick to work only on the first level of all expressions >> so that it would be more consistent (and, therefore, ostensibly more >> useful due to predictability). >> >> I hope I have been persuasive and inoffensive in arguing for behavior >> that is more consistent with the documentation. >> >> *I recognize there are evaluation vs. pattern matching issues here, >> but I think my reasoning is still germane. >> >> -- >> http://chris.chiasson.name/ >> > > > It is not actually the case that in this respect we have "one way > for SparseArray and another way for lists" because "the way for > lists" is in fact the way for most other selectors except > SparseArrays. For example, using an arbitrary head f, we have: > > Pick[{a, b}, f[2, 3], Except[2]] > {a, b} > > which behaves the same way as List. The fact that SparseArray > behaves in a special way becoems clear if you examine its FullForm: > > FullForm[SparseArray[{1, 2}]] > FullForm[SparseArray[Automatic, {2}, 0, {1, {{0, 2}, {{1}, {2}}}, > {1, 2}}]] > > Normally, it is the FullForm of the expression that is used in Pick > (or for pattern matching) but of course it would be extremly > inconvenient if this were the case with SparseArrays. > > Actually, not only SparseArray but also other atomic expressions > are also treated in "special ways", for example: > > Pick[{a, b}, Complex[2, 3], 2] > Sequence[] > > Pick[{a, b}, complex[2, 3], 2] > {a} > > Note that List[a,b] is not an atom and there is no reason to treat > it in any way different from the way one treats an expression with > an arbitrary head f. On the other hand, > > AtomQ[SparseArray@{1, 2}] > True > > and Atoms in Mathematica are generally treated in special ways as > far as pattern matching or Part extraction are concerned. > > Andrzej Kozlowski > > > At the risk of belaboring the obvious, I would like to point out that Pick also works with higher level arrays, thus: Pick[{{a, b}, {c, d}}, {{True, False}, {False, True}}] {{a}, {d}} and the same with Heads other than List but, of course, this will not work if you try to use SparseArray in the same way (based on its FullForm). I am just again restating what should now be obvious: SparseArrays are special and their treatment by Pick is not based on their FullForm - List are not special and in their case it is the FullForm that decides hwo they are treated by Pick. Andrzej Kozlowski

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