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Re: Self-teaching snag

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  • Subject: [mg74600] Re: Self-teaching snag
  • From: David Bailey <dave at Remove_Thisdbailey.co.uk>
  • Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:10:05 -0500 (EST)
  • References: <eu7re0$b6p$1@smc.vnet.net>

Todd Allen wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>    I am trying to refresh my skills in basic problem
> solving using Mathematica, but am running into some
> difficulties which are beginning to make me suspicious
> of Mathematica itself.  (I probably should be
> suspicious of my own brain...but you know how that is
> :-)
> 
> Here is the scenario:  I have written a basic function
> to tell me what percentage of battery power will
> remain in a battery after x number of days, provided
> that we start with a full charge and lose 5% of that
> charge per day.
> 
> If you execute the following code in Mathematica
> (V5.1):
> 
> charge[0]=1.0 (* 100% *);
> charge[day_]:=(charge[day-1]-(0.05*charge[day-1]));
> charge[20]
> 
> I receive an output of 0.358486 for my query at the 20
> day mark.....so, no problem so far.
> 
> However, when I try to ask for the output at
> charge[35], mathematica seems to enter an endless
> calculation.  I've let the computer run for as long as
> 5 minutes without getting an answer.  Is there
> something wrong with my function, my version of
> Mathematica or something else I haven't considered?
> 
> 
> Additionally,
> 
> When I try the following:
> 
> In[145]:=
> Solve[charge[day]==0.15,day];
> 
> Mathematica gives me the error:
> "$RecursionLimit::reclim: Recursion depth of 256
> exceeded."
> 
> I am trying to ask Mathematica to tell my how many
> days it takes to reduce the battery power to 15
> percent, but I must be messing something up??
> 
> If anyone has any pointers, I'd certainly appreciate
> it, because I am a little stuck right now.
> 
> Best regards,
> Todd Allen
> 
> 
>  
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Hello,

Your definition of charge is recursive - i.e. the value for N days is 
computed from the value at N-1 days. This would be OK (provided you 
always use a positive integer as argument) but your definition uses two 
calls to charge[N-1], which involves four calls to charge[N-2] .... etc. 
2^35 function calls take a lot of time, even in Mathematica! A slight 
change will fix this:

charge[0] = 1.0 (*100%*);
charge[day_] := (0.95 charge[day - 1]);

You might think that Mathematica would make this simplification 
automatically, but Simplify is not applied automatically on the contents 
of a function definition.

Solve works on mathematical equations - not functions defined as 
Mathematica code. Even NSolve will flounder because your definition will 
enter an infinite recursive loop in its argument is anything other than 
a positive integer.

How about writing your function as

charge[n_] := 0.95^n

David Bailey
http://www.dbaileyconsultancy.co.uk


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