Re: Simplification
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- Subject: [mg75440] Re: [mg75431] Simplification
- From: Andrzej Kozlowski <akoz at mimuw.edu.pl>
- Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 03:18:52 -0400 (EDT)
- References: <200704300740.DAA22559@smc.vnet.net>
Actually, this is a special case of a general fact: Let f[k_] := Product[Cos[(2^j*Pi)/(2^(k + 1) - 1)], {j, 0, k}]/Product[Cos [(2^j*Pi)/(2^(k + 1) + 1)], {j, 0, k}] then for every integer k>0, f[k]= -1. The problem that you have stated is showing that f[9]= -1. Mathematica can only do the simplest case: FullSimplify[f[1]] -1 but fails on the next one: FullSimplify[f[2]] Cos[Pi/7]*Cos[(2*Pi)/7]*Cos[(4*Pi)/7]*Sec[Pi/9]*Sec[(2*Pi)/9]*Sec [(4*Pi)/9] However, one can prove a more exact theorem: Product[Cos[(2^j*Pi)/(2^(k + 1) - 1)], {j, 0, k}] == -2^(k+1) and Product[Cos[(2^j*Pi)/(2^(k + 1) + 1)], {j, 0, k}] == 2^(k+1) defining g[k_] := Product[Cos[(2^j*Pi)/(2^(k + 1) + 1)], {j, 0, k}] and h[k_] := Product[Cos[(2^j*Pi)/(2^(k + 1) - 1)], {j, 0, k}] we see that Mathematica actually performs a little better when dealing with g and h: Table[FullSimplify[g[k]], {k, 1, 3}] {1/4, 1/8, 1/16} with h, however, this happens: Table[FullSimplify[h[k]], {k, 1, 3}] {-(1/4), Cos[Pi/7]*Cos[(2*Pi)/7]*Cos[(4*Pi)/7], -(1/16)} That's as much as Mathematica seems to be able to do. It would be interesting to know if the other CAS can go beyond f[9], and if it can, whether it takes it longer to do so. Andrzej Kozlowski On 30 Apr 2007, at 16:40, dimitris wrote: > This appeared in another forum. > > (Converting to Mathematica InputForm.) > > In[2]:= > oo = Product[Cos[(2^j*Pi)/1023], {j, 0, 9}]/Product[Cos[(2^j*Pi)/ > 1025], {j, 0, 9}]; > > The expression can be simplified to -1. > > Indeed, adopted by someone's reply, in another CAS, we simply have > > Product(cos(Pi*2^j/1023), j= 0..9)/ Product(cos(Pi*2^j/1025), j= > 0..9): > p:=value(%): > convert(p, sin): > simplify(%); > -1 > > However, no matter what I tried I was not able to succeed in > simplifying above expression > to -1 with Mathematica, in reasonable time. Futhermore, even the much > more simpler of > showing oo==-1 didn't work. > > So I would really appreciate if someone pointing me out: > 1) A way to show (in Mathematica!) that oo is simplified to -1 > 2) That the equality oo==-1 (or oo-1==0 alternatively) can be > simplified > to True. > > Any ideas? > > BTW, I found the function convert of the other CAS, very useful. > Has anyone implementated a similar function in Mathematica? > (I ain't aware of a Mathematica built-in function, similar to convert > from the other CAS.) > > Dimitris > >