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Re: Functional programming?
*To*: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net
*Subject*: [mg92124] Re: Functional programming?
*From*: Szabolcs Horvát <szhorvat at gmail.com>
*Date*: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:02:12 -0400 (EDT)
*Organization*: University of Bergen
*References*: <200809130957.FAA03536@smc.vnet.net> <gal3dg$dql$1@smc.vnet.net> <gapfbe$o63$1@smc.vnet.net>
David Bailey wrote:
> peter lindsay wrote:
>> as an old-timer myself - I'd be very interested in this too,
>> particularly - as you say - with reference to engineering problems.
>> I'm afraid my favorite construct was the REPEAT - UNTIL loop, which
>> should finally ruin any shreds of credibility that I may once have
>> had...
>
> I think it is possible to frighten people off with functional
> programming.
I think that the problem is that many people assume that once they have
learned one computer language, they know all of them. E.g. once one has
learned Pascal, one can just learn the "translation" of all the
words/constructs to C, but there are almost no new concepts.
This does not work with Mathematica. Just learning the translation of
common C words/constructs will not get one very far with Mathematica
(but it can get one very frustrated with it ...). Mathematica has many
concepts that simply do not exist in any procedural language, and
learning these concepts is more comparable to learning one's first
programming language (and thus requires a much larger effort) than
translating between similar procedural languages like e.g. Fortran and C.
> I feel there is another thing to say regarding FP. The fact that FP
> performs so well in Mathematica is, in my opinion, something of a
> fluke. The real reason is that because Mathematica is such a high
> level language, absolutely every step incurs considerable overhead,
> that is not present in languages such as Fortran or Java. Because FP
> provides a way to do a lot in one step, it reduces this overhead.
This is a very good point. An effective use of Mathematica is not at
all the same as using pure FP. In fact some practices that are very
common to FP languages are not advantageous at all in Mathematica---just
think about replacing loops with recursion, in particular looping
through lists with recursion. Since Mathematica lists are arrays (and not
linked lists) this is a bad thing to do in Mathematica (unless one builds a
linked list like this: {{{},a},b},c}).
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