Re: Re: bug in RandomChoice if weight is zero?
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- Subject: [mg106074] Re: [mg106027] Re: [mg105976] bug in RandomChoice if weight is zero?
- From: DrMajorBob <btreat1 at austin.rr.com>
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:21:07 -0500 (EST)
- References: <200912290617.BAA02582@smc.vnet.net>
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> Generally, what you ask for should be possible once you give a specific > interpretation of what you mean by zero What's ambiguous about the Integer 0? Bobby On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 03:17:21 -0600, Leonid Shifrin <lshifr at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Matthias, > > presumably this is because RandomSample never samples any given element > more > than once - in that case it has no other choice, regardless of the > weight. > Perhaps, the error message might be added for exact symbolic zero > appearing > somewhere in the wieights for the case where the size of the desired > sample > is larger than the number of non-zero weights (non-zero means > UnsameQ[weight,0]). It is not clear however whether it is worth it given > the overhead of such an analysis. Besides, this will be a point solution > anyway, since some expressions that might be used for weights may be in > fact > identically equal to zero but just not simplified to zero - these cases > would not be caught by such an analysis. > > OTOH, it is hard to make a formal (not based on syntax) distinction > between > zero and some very small weight close to zero (which may be expressed not > necessarily with machine precision). This of course depends on the > implementation of the underlying algorithm used to do the sampling - > whether > or not it treats weights smaller than machine epsilon as zero. From the > point of view of the abstract interface of RandomSample, there is no > reason > why it should do that, even if such events are highly unlikely to be > sampled. > > Generally, what you ask for should be possible once you give a specific > interpretation of what you mean by zero, but arguably this would add more > ambiguities/restrictions than it is worth for a kind of a general-purpose > function that RandomSample is. After all, you can always wrap > RandomSample > in your own wrapper function which will implement this functionality in > the > way you want it (consistent with your definition of zero), while > preserving > the syntax of the original RandomSample. > > Regards, > Leonid > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Matthias Greiff <greiff at mac.com> wrote: > >> If I use RandomChoice with weights of zero the corresponding elements >> will >> never be selected. >> >> In[62]:= RandomChoice[{0, 0, 3} -> {3, 2, 1}, 5] >> Out[62]= {1, 1, 1, 1, 1} >> >> Why is it not the same if I use RandomSample? >> The following command >> >> RandomSample[{1, 2, 0} -> Range[3], 2] >> >> returns either {1,2} or {2,1}. But when I change the command to sample >> size >> 3 I get the following. >> >> In[60]:= RandomSample[{1, 2, 0} -> Range[3], 3] >> Out[60]= {2, 1, 3} >> >> Why is the third element selected? Shouldn't Mathematica return an error >> message because the sample size is larger than the population size? >> >> Appreciate your answers. >> >> Merry Christmas! >> >> Matthias >> >> -- DrMajorBob at yahoo.com
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- bug in RandomChoice if weight is zero?
- From: Matthias Greiff <greiff@mac.com>
- bug in RandomChoice if weight is zero?