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Re: Bug in Solve?

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  • Subject: [mg102949] Re: Bug in Solve?
  • From: Albert Retey <awnl at gmx-topmail.de>
  • Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 05:37:12 -0400 (EDT)
  • References: <h7l8rh$35s$1@smc.vnet.net>

tonysin wrote:
> I am just trying to learn Mathematica. What am I doing wrong here?
> 
> I have a very simple equation:
> 
> x^3 - 15 x + 2 = 0
> 
> When I plot it in Mathematica 7,
> 
> ClearAll[*]
> f[x_] := x^3 - 15 x + 2
> Plot[f[x], {x, -5, 5}]
> 
> 
> it gives the expected graph of a cubic, with three real roots near -4,
> 0, and 4.
> 
> 
> When I NSolve it,
> 
> NSolve[f[x] == 0, x]
> 
> it gives
> 
> {{x -> -3.938}, {x -> 0.133492}, {x -> 3.80451}}
> 
> which is exactly what you would expect from the graph.
> 
> But when I Solve it
> 
> Solve[f[x] == 0, x]
> 
> it gives this mess
> 
> {{x -> 5/(-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^(1/3) + (-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^(
>     1/3)}, {x -> -((5 (1 + I Sqrt[3]))/(
>      2 (-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^(1/3))) -
>     1/2 (1 - I Sqrt[3]) (-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^(1/3)}, {x -> -((
>      5 (1 - I Sqrt[3]))/(2 (-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^(1/3))) -
>     1/2 (1 + I Sqrt[3]) (-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^(1/3)}}
> 
> 
> I don't know how it looks in your font, but that "I" in each solution
> is the imaginary i.  Solve is saying this equation has no real roots,
> even though the graph clearly shows that all three roots are real.
> 
> Can someone tell me if I am doing something wrong, or am I expecting
> something wrong, or if I just can't trust Mathematica?  Thanks for any
> help.

Nothing wrong, you just need to realize that an expression can be real
valued, even if it contains I at some point, e.g.: Exp[2 Pi I]

It is easy to check that this is the case here:

Solve[f[x] == 0, x]//N

actually you will find that there will be left some very small imaginary
parts, which you could get rid off with:

Solve[f[x] == 0, x] // N // Chop

If you don't trust the numerics, you can also do this to check that the
imaginary parts are indeed zero for all three solutions:

FullSimplify[Im[x] /. Solve[x^3 - 15 x + 2 == 0, x]]

hth,

albert


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