Re: Bug in Solve?
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- Subject: [mg102949] Re: Bug in Solve?
- From: Albert Retey <awnl at gmx-topmail.de>
- Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 05:37:12 -0400 (EDT)
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tonysin wrote: > I am just trying to learn Mathematica. What am I doing wrong here? > > I have a very simple equation: > > x^3 - 15 x + 2 = 0 > > When I plot it in Mathematica 7, > > ClearAll[*] > f[x_] := x^3 - 15 x + 2 > Plot[f[x], {x, -5, 5}] > > > it gives the expected graph of a cubic, with three real roots near -4, > 0, and 4. > > > When I NSolve it, > > NSolve[f[x] == 0, x] > > it gives > > {{x -> -3.938}, {x -> 0.133492}, {x -> 3.80451}} > > which is exactly what you would expect from the graph. > > But when I Solve it > > Solve[f[x] == 0, x] > > it gives this mess > > {{x -> 5/(-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^(1/3) + (-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^( > 1/3)}, {x -> -((5 (1 + I Sqrt[3]))/( > 2 (-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^(1/3))) - > 1/2 (1 - I Sqrt[3]) (-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^(1/3)}, {x -> -(( > 5 (1 - I Sqrt[3]))/(2 (-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^(1/3))) - > 1/2 (1 + I Sqrt[3]) (-1 + 2 I Sqrt[31])^(1/3)}} > > > I don't know how it looks in your font, but that "I" in each solution > is the imaginary i. Solve is saying this equation has no real roots, > even though the graph clearly shows that all three roots are real. > > Can someone tell me if I am doing something wrong, or am I expecting > something wrong, or if I just can't trust Mathematica? Thanks for any > help. Nothing wrong, you just need to realize that an expression can be real valued, even if it contains I at some point, e.g.: Exp[2 Pi I] It is easy to check that this is the case here: Solve[f[x] == 0, x]//N actually you will find that there will be left some very small imaginary parts, which you could get rid off with: Solve[f[x] == 0, x] // N // Chop If you don't trust the numerics, you can also do this to check that the imaginary parts are indeed zero for all three solutions: FullSimplify[Im[x] /. Solve[x^3 - 15 x + 2 == 0, x]] hth, albert