Re: Re: Replace and ReplaceAll -- simple application

*To*: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net*Subject*: [mg106108] Re: [mg106038] Re: Replace and ReplaceAll -- simple application*From*: DrMajorBob <btreat1 at austin.rr.com>*Date*: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 05:38:17 -0500 (EST)*References*: <200912270006.TAA12080@smc.vnet.net> <hh72dp$kud$1@smc.vnet.net>*Reply-to*: drmajorbob at yahoo.com

All true... but I know about the Conjugate function without ever (as far as I recall) having a need for it. Mathematica users should expect such a function to exist, besides, and it's easy to find if you're looking for it. One certainly might, of course, want to see a function's conjugate without a series of operations like: expr = (R + I L) (R - I w L); Factor@ComplexExpand@Conjugate@expr (-I L + R) (R + I L w) ...and that sequence won't work in general, anyway. If we want to see that, we might have to make the I -> -I substitution manually. For instance, expr /. {-I -> I, I -> -I} (-I L + R) (R + I L w) That works when the terms are symbolic, but not if the symbols are replaced with constants: expr = (1 + 2 I) (1 - 3 I) expr /. {-I -> I, I -> -I} 7 - I 7 - I That is annoying... that a simple Replace (though not as simple as I -> -I) works for symbols, but not for numbers. The following works for numbers AND for symbols, and it's no more complicated nor less intuitive, I suppose: expr = (1 + 2 I) (1 - 3 I) expr /. Complex[a_, b_] :> Complex[a, -b] 7 - I 7 + I expr = (R + I L) (R - I w L); expr /. Complex[a_, b_] :> Complex[a, -b] (-I L + R) (R + I L w) ...but the right path isn't obvious until we've had this discussion (or something like it). Bobby On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:14:13 -0600, AES <siegman at stanford.edu> wrote: > In article <hhf5kg$go6$1 at smc.vnet.net>, > Murray Eisenberg <murray at math.umass.edu> wrote: > > [Re the I -> -I problem in particular:] > >> On the other hand, not every possible issue can be addressed immediately >> at the top of documentation just because this or that user happened to >> experience some difficulty with it. >> >> Only gathering usage statistics, or having a focus group of users trying >> stuff, might suffice to escalate some issues to the point of requiring >> more prominent warnings. >> >> I wonder how many users in fact experience this issue. > > I'll give you one sizable group. > > Engineering and science students and practitioners, at all levels down > to at least college sophomores and even advanced high school students, > are taught to solve systems of coupled linear differential equations > (e.g., the loop or node equations for linear electrical networks with > current and/or voltage sources, or forcing functions) using the phasor > approach. > > The first step in doing this is of course to replace d^n /dt^n by > (I w)^n (w as shorthand for omega), thereby converting these to coupled > algebraic equations. The next step is then to solve these equations to > obtain a matrix-valued transfer function or scattering matrix, whose > elements contain only *real-valued* parameters (R's, L's and C's in the > electrical circuit case) and I -- elements that look like R + I w L. > > In practice, the instructor and the students do a few problems of this > type by hand, with just one or two variables; define and examine the > poles and zeros of the transfer function; learn about concepts like > resonance and impedance and admittance, and scattering matrices and > input and output ports; and so on. But the instant one goes to anything > more realistic and interesting, with three or more variables, the > algebra and the numerical calculations just become too tedious. > > But, hey, Mathematica is just beautiful for this task. The Solve[ ] > function is perfect for doing the algebra to find the transfer function > -- simple, easy to understand, obvious; and all the elementary Plot > functions (David Park's "set pieces") will give you all the plots you > could ask for. And since the output variables are phasors, e.g. > voltages and currents, vc(t) and ic(t) (generally indexed and often > written with superimposed tildes to indicate that they are complex > variables), you can get numerical results for power flows and energy > densities using notations like p([t_] = Re[vc(t)] Re[ic(t)]. > > But at some point you may want to get analytical formulas as well, e.g. > the modulus and argument of the transfer function from an input to an > output port. And, maybe move on to the ideas of "lossless", that is, > unitary, and Hermitian scattering matrices. At which point, the idea of > the transfer function, call it tFunc, and its complex conjugate, > tFunctStar, become significant. EE students say "v" and "vStar" and "i" > and "iStar" all the time! > > And at that point, if you're focusing on the system properties and not > specific numerical calculations it's very tempting to note that these > tFunc's contain nothing but purely real circuit elements (R's. L's and > C's, or masses and spring constants, or whatever), and I. > > And a quick test confirms that the rule {a->-a} does what it's supposed > to (whether or not a has a minus sign in front of it). Or, a quick test > confirms that I->-I properly converts R + I w L into R - I w L. Why > shouldn't it??? It just does what you'd expect a global find and > replace to do, or what you'd do "by hand" -- right? > > Take a look at the Mathworld entries for "phasor" and "transfer > function" and see how far down you'd have to dig to get an explicit > warning that the previous paragraph is misleading. (And note that the > entry for "Phasor" does not contain a "SEE ALSO:" for the term "Complex > Conjugation", and the link to that term within the text does not -- so > far as I can see -- give any hint the the rule I->-I will fail for an > expression containing -I.) > -- DrMajorBob at yahoo.com

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