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Re: Conjugate of symbolic expressions

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  • Subject: [mg108097] Re: [mg108034] Conjugate of symbolic expressions
  • From: Joe Gwinn <joegwinn at comcast.net>
  • Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 06:14:11 -0500 (EST)
  • References: <20100307085436.N6PU7.671613.imail@eastrmwml42>

Bob,

At 8:54 AM -0500 3/7/10, Bob Hanlon wrote:
>Use ComplexExpand
>
>S1 = Exp[k1*x + I*omega*(t + tau)];
>
>S1 // Conjugate
>
>E^Conjugate[I*omega*(t + tau) + k1*x]
>
>S1 // Conjugate // ComplexExpand
>
>E^(k1*x)*Cos[omega*(t + tau)] -
>    I*E^(k1*x)*Sin[omega*(t + tau)]
>
>S1 // Conjugate // ComplexExpand // FullSimplify
>
>E^(k1*x - I*omega*(t + tau))

I recall trying ComplexExpand, but it always worked too well, giving 
trig, just as with FullSimplify[], so I had forgotten it.

But ComplexExpand[]//TrigToExp seems to work, and isn't too ugly.


Thanks,

Joe


>Bob Hanlon
>
>---- Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>=============
>I have been using Mathematica 7 to do the grunt work in solving some
>transmission-line problems, using the exponential form of the equations. 
>
>A typical form would be S1 = Exp[k1*x + I*omega*(t+tau)], describing 
>signal one,
>where K1 is the attenuation in nepers per meter, I is the square root of minus
>one, omega is the angular frequency in radians per second, t is time 
>and tau is
>a fixed time delay, t and tau being in seconds.
>
>Often I need the complex conjugate of S1, so I write Conjugate[S1]. 
>The problem
>is that Mathematica does nothing useful, leaving the explicit 
>Conjugate[] in the
>output expression, which after a very few steps generates a mathematically
>correct but incomprehensible algebraic hairball.
>
>Clearly Mathematica feels that it lack sufficient information to proceed.  In
>particular, it has no way to know that all variables are real until explicitly
>told.
>
>One way to solve this problem is
>FullSimplify[Conjugate[S1],Element[_Symbol,Reals]], and this often works. 
>
>But equally often, it works too well, yielding the trignometric 
>expansion of the
>desired exponential-form answer.  Nor is it clear why it sometimes works and
>sometimes works too well. 
>
>Using Simplify[] instead of FullSimplify[] doesn't seem to work at all.
>
>
>So my questions are:
>
>1.  What controls FullSimplify[]'s behaviour here?
>
>2.  What other ways are there to cause Mathematica to apply the Conjugate[]
>without holding back?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joe Gwinn



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