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Re: How to disable Integrate[] ?

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  • Subject: [mg109503] Re: How to disable Integrate[] ?
  • From: "David Park" <djmpark at>
  • Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 06:51:38 -0400 (EDT)

If you had the Presentations package you would have two approaches. (I have
to paste the text box formatting into the email for the output. If you paste
this into your notebook it will give the actual 2D formatted expressions.)


1) Use the HoldOp command, which evaluates the arguments but holds an
explicit enclosing operation.

Integrate[x + x, {x, a + a, b + b}] // HoldOp[Integrate] 

\*SubsuperscriptBox[\(\[Integral]\), \(2\ a\), \(2\ b\)]\(\(2\ x\)

2) Use the Student's Integral integrate command, which allows you to hold
the evaluation and then do various manipulations on it before evaluating
either by a private integral table, or with the Mathematica Integrate or
NIntegrate commands.

integrate[x + x, {x, a + a, b + b}] 
% // BreakoutIntegral 
% // UseIntegrate[] // Expand 

\*SubsuperscriptBox[\(\[Integral]\), \(2\ a\), \(2\ b\)]\(\(2\ x\)

2 \!\(
\*SubsuperscriptBox[\(\[Integral]\), \(2\ a\), \(2\ b\)]\(x

-4 a^2 + 4 b^2 

Another advantage of integrate and UseIntegrate[assumptions] is that you
don't have to feed any assumptions into the integral until evaluation so it
always formats nicely as an unevaluated integral.

David Park
djmpark at  

From: slawek [mailto:slawek at] 

U=BFytkownik "Christoph Lhotka" <christoph.lhotka at> napisa=B3w
wiadomo=B6ci grup dyskusyjnych:hrbaas$hon$1 at
> Simplifiy[...., ExcludedForms->{Integrate[__,_]}]

Nice, but it doesn't work, check yourself:

In[1]:= int1 = HoldForm[Integrate[x + x, {x, a + a, b + b}]];
In[2]:= int2 = HoldForm[Integrate[1/(1 + Sin[x]^(1/3)), {x, a + a, b + b}]];
In[3]:= Simplify[int1 // ReleaseHold,  ExcludedForms -> {Integrate[_, _ ]}]
In[4]:= Simplify[int2 // ReleaseHold,  ExcludedForms -> {Integrate[_, _ ]}]

> IntegrateH[expr,vars]

Yes, it is possible replace Integrate by an dummyIntegrate or similar
placeholder. It should be even possible to define some simple rules for
i.e. dummyIntegrate[a_,lst_]+ dummyIntegrate[b_,lst_] ->
dummyIntegrate[a+b,lst] and so on. But, I think that it is not the most
finesse way. I think that some global switch, like the iteration limit and
the recursion limit should work better. Unfortunatelly these limits don't
force Mathematica give up simplification but abort calculation with an
"Abort" msg.


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