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*Subject*: [mg116178] Re: Eliminate
*From*: Daniel Lichtblau <danl at wolfram.com>
*Date*: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 01:39:19 -0500 (EST)
Francisco Javier Garc=EDa Capit=E1n wrote:
> Hello, as I reposted on the forum, what I really wanted is to eliminate
> v and w
(I knew that.)
> (in trying to do this, I put v=1-t, w=t, this is why I did the
> mistake).
You can do this as follows. Subtract one side from the other to get
polynomials. Then extract a Groebner basis with an elimination ordering.
polys == {(v + w)*(b^2*v^4 - a^2*v^3*w + 3*b^2*v^3*w +
c^2*v^3*w - 3*a^2*v^2*w^2 +
3*b^2*v^2*w^2 + 3*c^2*v^2*w^2 - a^2*v*w^3 + b^2*v*w^3 +
3*c^2*v*w^3 + c^2*w^4) - x,
-(w*(-(b^2*v^4) - 2*b^2*v^3*w - a^2*v*w^3 + b^2*v*w^3 +
c^2*v*w^3 + c^2*w^4)) - y,
-(v*(b^2*v^4 - a^2*v^3*w + b^2*v^3*w + c^2*v^3*w -
2*c^2*v*w^3 - c^2*w^4)) - z};
Either of these works. The first is faster, in your example. Isn't
always that way, though.
Timing[elim2 == First[GroebnerBasis[polys, {x,y,z}, {v,w},
MonomialOrder->EliminationOrder,
CoefficientDomain->RationalFunctions]];]
Timing[elim == First[GroebnerBasis[polys /. {a->4,b->-7,c->11},
{x,y,z}, {v,w}, MonomialOrder->EliminationOrder]];]
> By the way, I contacted with Bernard Gibert and he told me that the
> equation that I am looking for is the quintic Q077
>
> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva==1#inbox/12deb2a54c93072f
>
> and I have checked that the equation is that can be downloaded there:
>
> http://bernard.gibert.pagesperso-orange.fr/curves/Resources/Q077.rtf
>
> I am still interested in how Mathematica can arrive from parametric
> equations in terms of v,w to a implicit equation in x,y,z (a,b,c here
> are constants)
As above. If you give explicit integer or rational values for those
constants then it becomes hugely faster, I might add.
Daniel Lichtblau
Wolfram Research
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