Re: Mathematica and Lisp

*To*: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net*Subject*: [mg129592] Re: Mathematica and Lisp*From*: "W. Craig Carter" <ccarter at MIT.EDU>*Date*: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:59:26 -0500 (EST)*Delivered-to*: l-mathgroup@mail-archive0.wolfram.com*Delivered-to*: l-mathgroup@wolfram.com*Delivered-to*: mathgroup-newout@smc.vnet.net*Delivered-to*: mathgroup-newsend@smc.vnet.net*References*: <kcqkv4$lq5$1@smc.vnet.net> <kct7fj$sgo$1@smc.vnet.net> <kd03ej$6dl$1@smc.vnet.net> <kd2ltk$cog$1@smc.vnet.net> <kd7tsg$q3s$1@smc.vnet.net> <kdanpt$3d5$1@smc.vnet.net> <kdlfp1$117$1@smc.vnet.net> <kdnoak$725$1@smc.vnet.net> <20130125063453.135E468D0@smc.vnet.net> <20130126063855.DD48C6897@smc.vnet.net>

On Jan 26, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Murray Eisenberg <murray at math.umass.edu> wrote: > On Jan 25, 2013, at 1:34 AM, Richard Fateman <fateman at cs.berkeley.edu> wrote: > >> ... >> . >> There seems to be a fairly strong consensus that for numerical >> programming there are other competitors favored in engineering schools. > > At least some of that "fairly strong consensus" may be ill-founded today, after Mathematica's numerical methods have evolved. > > Typically I encounter engineers and scientists who assure me that M****b is oh so much better than Mathematica, yet they have never actually tried Mathematica in a serious way or looked into efficiency comparisons. They were raised on M****b and so they're convinced it's the be-all and end-all for numerical work, and how dare anybodtry to tell them otherwise -- any evidence to the contrary be damned. > I believe that this is an accurate stereotype of my engineering colleagues---I've been struggling to persuade them to try something else for years now. There are some math and cs departments (eg, my institution) that default to M*b as well for teaching and numerical computations. Many claim that the syntax is too obscure; I'm curious to see if the new predictive interface alleviates this. For the engineers, I believe the recalcitrance could be reduced with *many* more working and documented examples of NDSolve. The wolfram tutorial on advanced numerical solutions to pdes http://www.wolfram.com/learningcenter/tutorialcollection/ is fine but sparse on examples; the book doesn't target engineers. WCC

**References**:**Re: Mathematica and Lisp***From:*Richard Fateman <fateman@cs.berkeley.edu>

**Re: Mathematica and Lisp***From:*Murray Eisenberg <murray@math.umass.edu>