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Re: Permutations & Computer capacity

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  • Subject: [mg16939] Re: [mg16902] Permutations & Computer capacity
  • From: "Mark E. Harder" <harderm at>
  • Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 02:32:41 -0400
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    If there's something wrong with your computer, my computer is the same.
The problem you suggested -- creating permutations of a 12-element list--
used up all available real & virtual memory on my machine too.  I am running
Mtca 3.0 on a Windows Nt 4.0 machine with 192 Mb RAM & approx 200Mb paging
file. Running your permutations on 9-element list added about 20Mb to memory
use & there are approx 3 orders of magnitude more permutations in a
12-element list. So if memory usage in computing the permutations is only
linear in the length of the list, its no wonder that we run out of memory.
I haven't tried it, but the Utilities`MemoryConserve package contains some
routines for preventing memory depletion and for compressing the storage of
symbol values. Look up "Memory Management" in the Main Index in the Find
Help menu.

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Gutierrez <rpena at>
To: mathgroup at
Subject: [mg16939] [mg16902] Permutations & Computer capacity

>I developed a notebook to evaluate the Shapley value (votation power) of =
>list of parties in a committee.  A list to be evaluated looks like:
>{{partyA, 5}, {partyB, 8}...{partyn, X}}
>Everything works ok but...disgracefully producing the Shapley value impli=
>working with permutations.  This means making n! evaluations (n the lengt=
>of the list).
>And when I have a list of more than 8-9 parties, the program gets stuck.
>Now, 9! is not such a big number.
>I thought that perhaps my programming was not efficient enough, so I made
>the following try:
>After a couple of minutes, I got the answer "Exiting-out of memory"
>I have a Pentium II with 128 RAM, 4 free gigas in hard disk and a 300 and
>something processor (my platform is windows 95).
>Is there something wrong with my computer? Is there a way to overcome thi=
>Many thanks
>Francisco Gutierrez

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