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Re: "At long last, Sir, have you no shame?"

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  • Subject: [mg18311] Re: [mg18259] "At long last, Sir, have you no shame?"
  • From: "Mark E. Harder" <harderm at>
  • Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:07:55 -0400
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    I hear ya.  What I want from Mathematica is a rapid method for
simulation and analysis.  Because of bugs and the time required to
learn to prepare publication- or even presentation-quality plots of
scientific data in Mathematica., I prefer to put Mathematica results
into Excel & use its built-in 2-D graphics.  I use the 'Mathematica
Link for Microsoft Excel' add-on to transfer Mathematica. arrays into
Excel, then use then use the latter's Graphics Wizard to create color
plots from ranges of data.  For better-quality graphics (for printing,
or publication) I like the graphics produced by 'Origin' from Microcal,
which will read Mathematica. matrices in Mathematica. format with
little fuss.  So, unless you are writing a user-friendly Mathematica.
package or add-on, or some such, I suggest using Mathematica. up to the
output stage of your analyses, which i assume are the parts you are
happy with so far, and let other programs take care of graphics.
-mark harder
p.s.  Oops!  I use a Windows NT system, not a Mac.  Hopefully you can find
Mac graphics programs to do the same things.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Watson <abwatson at>
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Subject: [mg18311] [mg18259] "At long last, Sir, have you no shame?"

>Saying first that I am a fanatical Mathematica user, in awe of the product
>and its developers, I nonetheless feel compelled to say that...
>I am absolutely astonished that Mathematica 4.0 has *still* not fixed the
>FrameLabel rotated text bug, which prevents vertical axis labels from
>appearing properly when rendered on screen on the Mac. This bug causes
>endless troubles for those of us who prepare figures for both printing and
>live presentation. This bug has been present since time immemorial, but
>elicits only sheepish chuckles from Wolfram developers when mentioned. What
>gives? Is this really something that has stumped the greatest computational
>minds of the end of the millenium? Is it really so low on the list of
>priorities that it has persisted for 10 years? Have you no shame?
>Andrew B. Watson
>MS 262-2
>NASA Ames Research Center
>Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000
>(650) 604-5419 (650) 604-0255 fax
>abwatson at

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