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Re: Re: odd mathematica blindspot

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• Subject: [mg56547] Re: [mg56472] Re: [mg56468] odd mathematica blindspot
• From: Edward Peschko <esp5 at pge.com>
• Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:40:50 -0400 (EDT)
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 09:52:28PM -0400, yehuda ben-shimol wrote:
> Hi,
> First Mathematica solves it with no problem. I wonder which version
> you are using. I tested it on ver. 5.1 on Win XP.
> Second, the (rather simple) problem is
> Solve[a^x==b,x] will return
> {{x->Log[b]/Log[a]}}
> so if you assign 
> sol = Solve[a^x==b,x];
> you can check it for many values of a and b which in your case will lead to
> sol={{x->-Log[2]/Log[(999999999999/10000000000000)]}}
> to extract this value you need to use replacement rules
> x/. sol[[1]] will give you the number
> x/.sol will give you the number as a list of a single element.

.... because the problem is so simple, that's why its a blindspot 
in mathematica IMO.

Anyways, I tried it again - 

Mathematica 5.1 for Linux
Copyright 1988-2004 Wolfram Research, Inc.
-- Terminal graphics initialized --


In[1]:= Off[Solve::ifun];

In[2]:= sol[a_, b_] := Solve[a^x == b, x]

In[3]:= sol[(9999999999/10000000000), .5]

Out[3]= {]

In[4]:= sol[5,15];

{{ x -> Log[15]/Log[5] }}


The really odd thing is that it doesn't come up with a *symbolic* solution,
it just says that none exists. Perhaps it is evaluating (9.../10....) as one,
and hence triggering Solve to make the problem insoluble.

Perhaps there's an issue of precision? However, FindRoot works perfectly fine
on the same expression, so its a bit strange.



btw - the notation for extraction of elements is rather.. odd. Is it basically an 
array of array of arrays? I would expect:

yy = {{ x -> 1, y -> 1}, { x -> 2, y -> 2 }}

to be accessed via:

	yy[[0]]{x}

and the keys of the solution to be accessed by:

	keys(yy[[0]])

or somesuch.

Is there a good tutorial somewhere on the use of datastructures in mathematica?
sort of a pocketguide on getting around?

Ed

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