Re: Strange Det function behavior.
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 - Subject: [mg65459] Re: [mg65445] Strange Det function behavior.
 - From: "Carl K. Woll" <carlw at wolfram.com>
 - Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:59:23 -0400 (EDT)
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Alexander wrote:
> Dear MathGroup!
> 
> Suppose we have defined the following function:
> 
> f[x_Integer] := Det[ Table[ Random[]*t + i/j, {i, x}, {j, x} ] ];
> 
> Now try to make a table for different values of argument (matrix
> dimension):
> 
> Table[f[i], {i, 12}] // TableForm
> 
> It takes a considerable time on my Celeron 1700 with Mathematica 5.2
> under WinXP to make such a table.
> 
> Once we made this table we see very strange bihavior, all results
> before x=12 dimension are polynoms,
> but starting from x=12 result become very big and very
> strange, and in fact it's not even a polynom.
> 
> I spend several hours try to understand why system acts so strange, and
> finally came to idea that the answer is in numbers representation and
> inner
> system algorithms used to evaluate Det function.
> 
> It would be very interesting to see explanations of this result.
> 
> Thanks for your answers!
> 
> Alexander.
I won't try to give you an explanation, but for your particular problem 
there is an undocumented workaround. The function 
CharacteristicPolynomial can accept a list of two matrices as its first 
argument:
CharacteristicPolynomial[{m,a},t]
returns
Det[m - a t]
So, we can use CharacteristicPolynomial for your problem. For example, 
here is a 12x12 matrix:
matrix = Table[ Random[]*t + i/j, {i, 12}, {j, 12} ];
Extract the {m,a} matrices:
{m,a} = {matrix /. t->0, -D[matrix,t]};
Use CharacteristicPolynomial:
In[14]:=
CharacteristicPolynomial[{m,a},t]//Chop//Timing
Out[14]=
                      11              12
{0. Second, 1.24466 t   + 0.0082288 t  }
An instantaneous result for 12x12 matrices.
Carl Woll
Wolfram Research
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- Strange Det function behavior.
- From: "Alexander" <beginning.physst@mail.ru>
 
 
 - Strange Det function behavior.