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Re: Limit of an expression?

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  • Subject: [mg67596] Re: Limit of an expression?
  • From: Jean-Marc Gulliet <jeanmarc.gulliet at gmail.com>
  • Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 05:12:52 -0400 (EDT)
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David W.Cantrell wrote:
> Andrzej Kozlowski <akoz at mimuw.edu.pl> wrote:
>> On 28 Jun 2006, at 16:51, Virgil Stokes wrote:
>>
>>> In the following expression, s is an integer (>= 1), Lambda, Mu, and t
>>> are real numbers and all > 0.
>>> What is the limit of the following as t goes to infinity?
>>>
>>> \!\(\(1 - \[ExponentialE]\^\(\(-\[Mu]\)\ t\ \((s - 1 - \
>>> \[Lambda]\/\[Mu])\)\)\)\/\(s - 1 - \[Lambda]\/\[Mu]\)\)
>>>
>>> --V. Stokes
>>>
>> Unless you made a mistake in the formula you posted,  the answer
>> depends  on the sign of s - 1 - λ/μ. Mathematica can deal with all
>> three possible cases (it is also pretty obvious when done by hand):
>>
>> (Limit[(1 - E^((-μ)*t*
>>          (s - 1 - λ/μ)))/
>>       (s - 1 - λ/μ),
>>      t -> Infinity,
>>      Assumptions ->
>>       {μ > 0 && #1[s,
>>          1 + λ/μ]}] & ) /@
>>    {Greater, Equal, Less}
>>
>> {-(μ/(λ - s*μ + μ)),
>>    0, Infinity}
> 
> Much of the above is illegible to me,

David,

Please find hereunder a "font safe" version of Andrzej's post.

In[1]:=
(Limit[(1 - E^((-mu)*t*(s - 1 - lambda/mu)))/(s - 1 - lambda/mu), t -> 
Infinity,
     Assumptions -> {mu > 0 && #1[s, 1 + lambda/mu]}] & ) /@ {Greater, 
Equal, Less}

Out[1]=
            mu
{-(------------------), 0, Infinity}
    lambda + mu - mu s

> but I'm guessing that the middle case
> is equivalent to
> 
> In[1]:= Assuming[a==0, Limit[(1 - Exp[a t])/a, t->Infinity]]
> 
> Out[1]= 0
> 

You are right.

> which does not seem to be reasonable in Mathematica. I would have expected
> Indeterminate instead.

I did not notice that at first (with the lambda, mu things :-) , but I 
agree.

Best regards,
Jean-Marc


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