Re: Re: Re: Re: v6: still no multiple undo?
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- Subject: [mg77492] Re: [mg77476] Re: [mg77433] Re: [mg77407] Re: v6: still no multiple undo?
- From: Andrzej Kozlowski <akoz at mimuw.edu.pl>
- Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:22:44 -0400 (EDT)
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The idea that people always run the best software they could seems rather doubtful to me, but is completely irrelevant. I think you completely missed the point of the article, which does not claim the older software was better, but only that a lot of new software (certainly not all) is "bloated" - a completely different thing. Did you really think that the reason I posted this link was because I would rather use Mathematica 1 than Mathematica 6? Andrzej Kozlowski On 9 Jun 2007, at 19:37, Chris Chiasson wrote: > I disagree with the article. If the older software were really better, > then everyone would still be using it. > > On 6/9/07, Andrzej Kozlowski <akoz at mimuw.edu.pl> wrote: >> I understand that thera are many people would like have WRI implement >> in Mathematica one or more of their favourite features of other >> programs. After all, we all now have multi-gigaherz processors, >> gigabytes of RAM etc, and wouldn't it be great if Mathematica could >> do all the things that all these other programs do? You might even >> not need them any more. >> However, this kind of approach has its price and to see this clearly >> I suggest that, before submitting another request for another "great >> feature you can't live without", everyone reads this: >> >> http://hubpages.com/hub/ >> _86_Mac_Plus_Vs_07_AMD_DualCore_You_Wont_Believe_Who_Wins >> >> and thinks again if this price is really worth paying. >> >> >> Andrzej Kozlowski >> >> >> On 8 Jun 2007, at 18:38, Barthelet, Luc wrote: >> >> > >> > While I strongly support that multiple undo is a feature we need to >> > see >> > soon, it will take some real work to get there. >> > >> > The editor, and the kernels are linked in an efficient exchange of >> > messages >> > and information about what needs to be displayed where and when. >> > >> > While implementing multiple undo-redo in a stand alone editor >> usually >> > requires only to implement a tokenized undo-redo, in the v6 font >> > end, it >> > will require a more complex model. It is a bit like if you were >> > trying to >> > implement multiple undo on a wiki site like wikipedia where they >> are >> > multiple contributors. >> > >> > We probably do not want the kernel to "undo", just the front end. >> > So one >> > solution would be to make the kernel and the user to appear as a >> > single >> > contributor, and to undo both effects on the front end. So one undo >> > might >> > remove an output created by the kernel. >> > >> > Even that is challenging, because Dynamics now create a lot of >> > updates and >> > you will not want to roll those back. >> > >> > Anyway, the front end team is obviously smart enough to find a >> > solution for >> > all those things, but it is not going to be easy. >> > >> > A cheap thing that I would like to see, is a text buffer of all my >> > input and >> > all the code I deleted saved as a log on disk. It might be ugly, >> > but it >> > would be VERY USEFUL. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Luc >> > >> > >> > On 6/7/07 3:34 AM, "David Bailey" <dave at Remove_Thisdbailey.co.uk> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> David wrote: >> >>> Will Robertson wrote: >> >>>> Hello, >> >>>> >> >>>> I am baffled that technical software is released in 2007 with >> >>>> only a >> >>>> single undo level. Am I missing something here? Is it because >> I'm >> >>>> using a student license? How hard can an undo stack really be in >> >>>> the >> >>>> notebook interface? >> >>>> >> >>>> I've been irritated a few times in v5.2 from clumsy keypresses >> >>>> losing >> >>>> me work that I would expect to be two "undo"s away. Alas not. >> >>>> Still. >> >>>> >> >>>> Will Robertson >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> Good point! I've wondered the same thing for a long time. This is >> >>> the >> >>> only app I run that doesn't happen multiple levels of undo. I >> >>> think it's >> >>> time WRI spent some time on this issue. >> >>> >> >> How much time could it possibly take! Once you have a 1-level undo >> >> working, all you need to do is spill the relevant data into a >> >> structure >> >> - possibly on disk - and retrieve it as needed! >> >> >> >> David Bailey >> >> http://www.dbaileyconsultancy.co.uk >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > -- > http://chris.chiasson.name/
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- Re: Re: v6: still no multiple undo?
- From: "Barthelet, Luc" <lucb@ea.com>
- Re: Re: Re: v6: still no multiple undo?
- From: Andrzej Kozlowski <akoz@mimuw.edu.pl>
- Re: Re: v6: still no multiple undo?