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Re: Integrate (discontinuous antiderivatives by Mathematica)

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  • Subject: [mg74503] Re: Integrate (discontinuous antiderivatives by Mathematica)
  • From: "dimitris" <dimmechan at>
  • Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:09:52 -0500 (EST)
  • References: <etikok$j7r$><etnkbj$gmr$>

Hello again.

Copy/Paste the following in an notebook as a whole cell

Print["a function"]
f[x_]=1/(5 + Cos[x])
Print["its plot in [0,4Pi]"]
Print["its definite integral in the same interval"]
Integrate[1/(5 + Cos[x]), {x, 0, 4*Pi}]
{N[%%], NIntegrate[1/(5 + Cos[x]), {x, 0, 4*Pi}]}
Print["antiderivative by Mathematica"]
F[x_] = Integrate[1/(5 + Cos[x]), x]
Print["check the antiderivative"]
Print["incorrect application of Newton-Leibniz formula"]
(F[x] /. x -> 4*Pi) - (F[x] /. x -> 0)
Print["the incosistency is due to the jump discontinuities at Pi and
3Pi of the antiderivative"]
Plot[F[x], {x, 0, 4*Pi}, Ticks -> {Range[0, 4*Pi, Pi], Automatic}]
Print["correct application of Newton-Leibniz formula"]
FullSimplify[(F[x]/. x -> 4*Pi) - Limit[F[x], x -> 3*Pi, Direction ->
-1] + Limit[F[x], x -> 3*Pi, Direction -> 1] -
   Limit[F[x], x -> Pi, Direction -> -1] + Limit[F[x], x -> Pi,
Direction -> 1] - (F[x]/. x -> 0)]
Print["define an atiderivative continuous in the whole integration
FF[x_]=Piecewise[{{F[x],x < Pi},{Pi/2/Sqrt[6],x==Pi},{F[x] + Pi/
Sqrt[6],x<3Pi},{3Pi/2/Sqrt[6],x == 3Pi},{F[x] + 2 Pi/Sqrt[6],x<5Pi}}]
Print["its plot"]
Plot[FF[x], {x, 0, 4*Pi}, Ticks -> {Range[0, 4*Pi, Pi], Automatic}]
Print["application of Newton-Leibniz formula"]

As you see Mathematica returns again a  discontinuous function in the
integration range as an antidrivative.
In fact usually this will be the case. BUT Nothing is bad with it! You
must convinced yourself!

In another CAS I got:


which again has jump discontinuities at Pi and 3Pi.

BTW, the vertical lines appeared in the plots connected the jumps are
due to buggy behavior
of the CASs and should be there.

A quick way to remove them in Mathematica e.g. for the obtained
antiderivative above

Show[Block[{$DisplayFunction = Identity}, (Plot[F[x], {x, #1[[1]],
#1[[2]]}] & ) /@ Partition[Range[0, 4*Pi, Pi],
2, 1]]]

And note that the situation can be "worse" (note the quotes!)

Even for everywhere smooth function the indefinite integral returned
by Mathematica might be discontinuous
and complex!

Print["another function"]
f[x_] = (Exp[x] - 1)/x
Print["its plot in [-Pi,Pi]"]
Plot[f[x], {x, -Pi, Pi}, Axes -> False, Frame -> True]
Print["its definite integral in the same interval"]
Integrate[f[x], {x, -Pi, Pi}]
{N[%%], NIntegrate[f[x], {x, -Pi, 0, Pi}]}
Print["antiderivative by Mathematica"]
F[x_] = Integrate[f[x], x]
Print["check the antiderivative"]
Simplify[D[F[x], x]]
Print["the antiderivative has real and imaginary part"]
(Plot[#1[F[x]], {x, -Pi, Pi}, FrameTicks -> {Range[-Pi, Pi, Pi/2],
Automatic}, Axes -> False,
    Frame -> {True, True, False, False}] & ) /@ {Re, Im}
Print["incorrect application of Newton-Leibniz formula"]
Limit[F[x], x -> Pi, Direction -> 1] - Limit[F[x], x -> -Pi, Direction
-> -1]
Print["correct application of Newton-Leibniz formula must consider the
jump discontinuity at x=0"]
Limit[F[x], x -> Pi, Direction -> 1] - Limit[F[x], x -> 0, Direction -
> -1] + Limit[F[x], x -> 0, Direction -> 1] -
  Limit[F[x], x -> -Pi, Direction -> -1]

But again nothing is bad with it!

Best Regards

=CF/=C7 Michael Weyrauch =DD=E3=F1=E1=F8=E5:
> Hello ,
>   sorry for not writing earlier in response to your comments...
> 1) These are really interesting examples of odd behaviour  of our beloved
>     CAS (related to Integration) you have been digging up. You even found=
 undocumented features...!
> 2) Unfortunately, we cannot know in more detail why all this happens, bec=
>     we do not know how it really operates internally. And the devellopers=
 who know, obviously do not
>     want to answer???
> 3) For now I am glad that I have your workaround for my problem.
>     I would like to mention that I also sent in a service call to Wolfram=
>     thanks to a Premier Service contract my company pays for. But never g=
ot an answer.
>     I perfectly understand that such a huge and difficult program as Math=
ematica has problems
>     in some odd corners. And sometimes I really got great support and hel=
p in surmounting my problems
>     by the support engineers or the devellopers, but here ....  zero  ...=
  I wonder, if anybody else had similar experience
>     recently ??
> Regards     Michael  Weyrauch

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