Re: Bad design in Set?
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- Subject: [mg118621] Re: Bad design in Set?
- From: Todd Gayley <tgayley at wolfram.com>
- Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 19:47:24 -0400 (EDT)
>On Mon, 02 May 2011 05:50:36 -0500, Alexey <lehin.p at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Recently I discovered that in Mathematica 7.01 the built-in function
> > Set is overloaded by default in a **very** strange way:
> >
> > In[1]:= DownValues[Set]
> >
> > Out[1]= {HoldPattern[
> > JLink`Private`sym_Symbol[JLink`Private`arg_Symbol] =
> > JLink`Private`val_] :>
> > With[{JLink`Private`obj = JLink`Private`sym},
> > JLink`CallJava`Private`setField[
> > JLink`Private`obj[JLink`Private`arg], JLink`Private`val] /;
> > Head[JLink`Private`obj] === Symbol &&
> > StringMatchQ[Context[JLink`Private`obj], "JLink`Objects`*"]]}
> >
> > The l.h.s of this definition matches any expression of the form
> > 'a[b]=c' that is a very general and commonly-used form of assignment.
> > Moreover, in the r.h.s of this definition we see an expression of the
> > form
> >
> > JLink`CallJava`Private`setField[_]/;condition
> >
> > It is easy to see that the call to Java will be made regardless of the
> > 'condition', IOW **always** when the l.h.s matches:
> >
> > Print["!"]/;False
> >
> > prints "!".
> >
> > Is it reasonable to make a call to Java every time when a user makes
> > an assignment of the form 'a[b]=c'?
At the start, let me point out that in Mathematica 8, J/Link no
longer overloads Set. An internal kernel mechanism was created that,
among other things, allows J/Link to avoid the need for special, er,
"tricks" with Set.
J/Link has overloaded Set from the very beginning, almost twelve
years ago. This allows it support this syntax for assigning a value
to a Java field:
javaObject@field = value
The overloaded definition of Set causes a slowdown in assignments of the form
_Symbol[_Symbol] = value
Of course, assignment is a fast operation, so the slowdown is small
in real terms. Only highly specialized types of programs are likely
to be significantly affected.
The Set overload does _not_ cause a call to Java on assignments that
do not involve Java objects (this would be very costly). This can be
verified with a simple use of TracePrint on your a[b]=c.
It does, as you note, make a slight change in the behavior of
assignments that match _Symbol[_Symbol] = value. Specifically, in
f[_Symbol] = value, f gets evaluated twice. This can cause problems
for code with the following (highly unusual) form:
f := SomeProgramWithSideEffects[]
f[x] = 42
I cannot recall ever seeing "real" code like this, or seeing a
problem reported by a user.
This is all moot now in 8.0.
At 04:45 AM 5/3/2011, DrMajorBob wrote:
>Calls to Java are made for ABSOLUTELY everything Mathematica does, are
>they not?
Actually, calls to Java are made for a comparatively small set of
things in Mathematica. The vast majority of Mathematica programs will
never trigger a single call into Java.
Todd Gayley
Wolfram Research