Re: Re: Re: Orientation of characters in FrameLabel
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- Subject: [mg22086] Re: [mg22076] Re: [mg22040] Re: Orientation of characters in FrameLabel
- From: Andrzej Kozlowski <andrzej at platon.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
- Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:14:04 -0500 (EST)
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on 00.2.13 3:06 AM, Bojan Bistrovic at bojanb at physics.odu.edu wrote: >> on 00.2.11 4:38 PM, Jens-Peer Kuska at kuska at informatik.uni-leipzig.de >> wrote: >> >>> You may switch to a modern computer with a less primitive operating >>> system >>> (i. e. not a Mac) >> >> This just shows ignorance or prejudice, particularly in view that most >> professional DTP work is still done on Macs. There is a lot more to an >> operating system than the ability to rotate text. Besides, what is primitive >> depends on ones perspective. I use the Mac all the time and Linux fairly >> often and "primitive" is just the word that comes to my mind whenever I do >> the latter. >> >> >> Andrzej Kozlowski >> Toyama International University >> Toyama, Japan >> http://sigma.tuins.ac.jp/ >> > With all due respect to Mac users, I have to agree with Jens-Peer here. > You might not like your favorite pet (i.e. MacOS) being called primitive, but > try leaving a VERY long computation (over a month for example) on a Mac; the > odds are it will crash the very first day, if not the very first hour. > Windows will probably crash on the second or the third day. Any Unix > (including Linux) will not only do it, but will do it's daily amount of work > as well. I DO know professionals in DTP; they use Mac's for digital image > processing. What do they do after EVERY PICTURE? They reboot their Mac's > because if they don't, the odds are it will crash in the middle of next > picture. This is a real-life example. People don't like Unix/Linux because > "you have to use the keyboard to get anything done" (this is again a real > citation). Well, first of all, that's not really true, and second, not > everybody is allergic to keyboards. Some people like them. "Primitiveness" of > an operating system isn't related to the fact how often do you have to use the > keyboard, but to the stability, reliability, speed, etc. Apple/Microsoft duet > has managed to convince the world that a computer is a tool EVERY idiot should > be able to use. While I agree that reading your email or browsing the web > shouldn't require a PhD in computer science, I just don't see how can ANY > user of very technical product like Mathematica be delighted by the power of > Mathematica and at the same time dislike an operating system because some > thing can't be done with a click of a mouse. Let me make an analogy: would > you prefer to drive a nice looking car that broke down EVERY SINGLE DAY or > a less pretty one that drives forever without breaking down? If you're a Mac > user, I bet you never changed the oil or a flat tire on your car yourself, did > you? Not changing the oil or ever doing any work on your car yourself doesn't > make you a bad person; it just makes you unqualified to discuss properties of > an engine or the transmission. Well, the same hold for OS; if you buy a > particular computer because it comes in nice colors, it doesn't' mean you're a > bad person; it just makes you unqualified to judge the "primitiveness" of > other operating systems. > > Bye, Bojan > > PS:if you're into DTP, I'd say that rotating text is pretty IMPORTANT for you, > don't you agree? > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bojan Bistrovic, bojanb at physics.odu.edu > Old Dominion University, Norfolk VA & Jefferson Lab, Newport News, VA > --------------------------------------------------------------------- As for the rest of your diatribe: all I can say is that if you can spend your time on learning ridiculous Unix commands or trying to work out why your " advanced" Linux system cannot recognise your newly installed, (supposedly compatible network card), than I can't see how you can ever do any serious work in mathematics, or physics etc (though you may perhaps call yourself a "IT" expert, whatever that is).. Anybody who does not believe this should join for a short time the Red Hat mailing list ( redhat-announce-list at redhat.com); you will then proceed to receive about a hundred messages a day and see for yourself what sort of absurd problems people waste their time on, just to give themselves the illusion of superiority. I for one prefer to spend my time proving theorems (or at least trying to). That's, by the way, why I use Mathematica and not, for example, C. On a personal note: I have have used the Mac and a variety of unix systems (the latter unwillingly) for about 15 years so I know quite a bit about both. -- Andrzej Kozlowski Toyama International University Toyama, Japan http://sigma.tuins.ac.jp/