Re: Re: Re: Orientation of characters in FrameLabel
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- Subject: [mg22087] Re: [mg22076] Re: [mg22040] Re: Orientation of characters in FrameLabel
- From: Andrzej Kozlowski <andrzej at platon.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
- Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:14:05 -0500 (EST)
- Sender: owner-wri-mathgroup at wolfram.com
A couple of corrections to my last message. One is that I gave the wrong Red-Hat list address for those who really would like to check for themselves how Linux users spend their time trying to solve problems which other system users take for granted: try redhat-list at redhat.com. Also the beginning of my message somehow got lost, it said: Concerning your last remark: all Mac DTP oriented programs support text rotation. I do this myself with Free Hand quite often. So much for that. -- Andrzej Kozlowski Toyama International University Toyama, Japan http://sigma.tuins.ac.jp/ > > > on 00.2.13 3:06 AM, Bojan Bistrovic at bojanb at physics.odu.edu wrote: > >>> on 00.2.11 4:38 PM, Jens-Peer Kuska at kuska at informatik.uni-leipzig.de >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You may switch to a modern computer with a less primitive operating >>>> system >>>> (i. e. not a Mac) >>> >>> This just shows ignorance or prejudice, particularly in view that most >>> professional DTP work is still done on Macs. There is a lot more to an >>> operating system than the ability to rotate text. Besides, what is primitive >>> depends on ones perspective. I use the Mac all the time and Linux fairly >>> often and "primitive" is just the word that comes to my mind whenever I do >>> the latter. >>> >>> >>> Andrzej Kozlowski >>> Toyama International University >>> Toyama, Japan >>> http://sigma.tuins.ac.jp/ >>> >> With all due respect to Mac users, I have to agree with Jens-Peer here. >> You might not like your favorite pet (i.e. MacOS) being called primitive, but >> try leaving a VERY long computation (over a month for example) on a Mac; the >> odds are it will crash the very first day, if not the very first hour. >> Windows will probably crash on the second or the third day. Any Unix >> (including Linux) will not only do it, but will do it's daily amount of work >> as well. I DO know professionals in DTP; they use Mac's for digital image >> processing. What do they do after EVERY PICTURE? They reboot their Mac's >> because if they don't, the odds are it will crash in the middle of next >> picture. This is a real-life example. People don't like Unix/Linux because >> "you have to use the keyboard to get anything done" (this is again a real >> citation). Well, first of all, that's not really true, and second, not >> everybody is allergic to keyboards. Some people like them. "Primitiveness" of >> an operating system isn't related to the fact how often do you have to use >> the >> keyboard, but to the stability, reliability, speed, etc. Apple/Microsoft duet >> has managed to convince the world that a computer is a tool EVERY idiot >> should >> be able to use. While I agree that reading your email or browsing the web >> shouldn't require a PhD in computer science, I just don't see how can ANY >> user of very technical product like Mathematica be delighted by the power of >> Mathematica and at the same time dislike an operating system because some >> thing can't be done with a click of a mouse. Let me make an analogy: would >> you prefer to drive a nice looking car that broke down EVERY SINGLE DAY or >> a less pretty one that drives forever without breaking down? If you're a Mac >> user, I bet you never changed the oil or a flat tire on your car yourself, >> did >> you? Not changing the oil or ever doing any work on your car yourself doesn't >> make you a bad person; it just makes you unqualified to discuss properties of >> an engine or the transmission. Well, the same hold for OS; if you buy a >> particular computer because it comes in nice colors, it doesn't' mean you're >> a >> bad person; it just makes you unqualified to judge the "primitiveness" of >> other operating systems. >> >> Bye, Bojan >> >> PS:if you're into DTP, I'd say that rotating text is pretty IMPORTANT for >> you, >> don't you agree? >> >> -- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bojan Bistrovic, bojanb at physics.odu.edu >> Old Dominion University, Norfolk VA & Jefferson Lab, Newport News, VA >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > As for the rest of your diatribe: all I can say is that if you can spend your > time on learning ridiculous Unix commands or trying to work out why your " > advanced" Linux system cannot recognise your newly installed, (supposedly > compatible network card), than I can't see how you can ever do any serious > work in mathematics, or physics etc (though you may perhaps call yourself a > "IT" expert, whatever that is).. Anybody who does not believe this should > join for a short time the Red Hat mailing list ( > redhat-announce-list at redhat.com); you will then proceed to receive about a > hundred messages a day and see for yourself what sort of absurd problems > people waste their time on, just to give themselves the illusion of > superiority. I for one prefer to spend my time proving theorems (or at least > trying to). That's, by the way, why I use Mathematica and not, for example, C. > > On a personal note: I have have used the Mac and a variety of unix systems > (the latter unwillingly) for about 15 years so I know quite a bit about both. > > > -- > Andrzej Kozlowski > Toyama International University > Toyama, Japan > http://sigma.tuins.ac.jp/ >