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Re: Dirichlet function plot
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*Subject*: [mg23576] Re: [mg23552] Dirichlet function plot
*From*: Andrzej Kozlowski <andrzej at tuins.ac.jp>
*Date*: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:44:32 -0400 (EDT)
*Sender*: owner-wri-mathgroup at wolfram.com
Sorry, the definition should of course have been:
f[x_] := If[IntegerQ[Numerator[Rationalize[N[x]]]],
1/Denominator[Rationalize[x]], 0]
on 00.5.21 0:07 AM, Andrzej Kozlowski at andrzej at tuins.ac.jp wrote:
> This is of course a somewhat different matter. One can define a reasonable
> "simulation" of this function and in principle plot its graph but I think it
> will be hard to see anything interesting. The definition is simple enough:
>
> f[x_] := If[IntegerQ[Numerator[Rationalize[N[x]]]],
> Denominator[Rationalize[x]], 0]
>
> f is a good approximation to what you want:
>
> In[3]:=
> f[Pi]
>
> Out[3]=
> 0
>
> In[4]:=
> f[1.4]
>
> Out[4]=
> 5
>
> In[5]:=
> f[Sqrt[2]]
>
> Out[5]=
> 0
>
> Unfortunately it is hard to get a meaningful graph. You could try using
> ListPlot and do something like:
>
> In[6]:=
> l1 = Table[{x, f[x]}, {x, 3.0, Pi + 0.1, 0.001}];
>
> In[7]:=
> l2 = Table[{x, f[x]}, {x, Pi - 0.14, Pi + 0.1, 0.001}];
>
> In[8]:=
> ListPlot[Union[l1, l2]]
>
> But the result does not seem t me to be very instructive. In principle I think
> what I wrote in my first reply still holds and I do not think computers are
> suitable tools for investigating this sort of phenomena.
>
> on 00.5.20 11:02 PM, David Ong at do226 at is2.nyu.edu wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, I misstated the function.
>> f(x)=1/q when x is an element of p/q in lowest terms and f(x)=0
>> otherwise. This is a strange looking function because it is continous at
>> every irrational and discontinuous at every rational.
>>
>> On Sat, 20 May 2000, Andrzej Kozlowski wrote:
>>
>>> The problem with your question is that the concept of an "irrational number"
>>> does not really make sense in relation to a present day computer. Neither
>>> Mathematica not any other computer program can distinguish between rationals
>>> and irrationals and no sensible concept of an "irrational" number can be
>>> implemented. Of course you could invent a new Mathematica function,
>>> IrrationalQ, an tell Mathematica it should return True for some well known
>>> irrationals, e.g. Pi, E, Sqrt[2], this would not get you very far. It is
>>> well known that there can be no algorithm which would decide whether any
>>> given (constructible) real number is rational or not. One can easily
>>> generate arbitrary long sequences consisting entirely of irrationals, e.g.,
>>> anything of the form p^(1/n) where p is a prime and n a positive integer,
>>> or any real number of the form (1-x^n)^(1/n), where x is any rational s.t.
>>> 0<x<1, and n a positive integer>2, but no computer can check this.
>>>
>>> However, in spite of all the above, it is very easy to plot your function.
>>> You simply take the union of the graph of 1/x and the real axis (you must
>>> exclude 0 since your function has no value there). This is as good an
>>> approximation as one can ever hope for!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrzej Kozlowski
>>> Toyama International University
>>> JAPAN
>>>
>>> http://platon.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/andrzej/
>>> http://sigma.tuins.ac.jp/
>>>
>>> on 5/20/00 4:10 PM, David Ong at do226 at is2.nyu.edu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Would anyone know of an easy way to plot some approximation of this
>>>> variant of the Dirichlet function?
>>>> f(x)=1/x if x is an element of the rationals and 0 if x is not an element
>>>> of the rationals.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
--
Andrzej Kozlowski
Toyama International University
JAPAN
http://platon.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/andrzej/
http://sigma.tuins.ac.jp/
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