Re: seruous solve bug? only when used with simplifying
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- Subject: [mg48690] Re: seruous solve bug? only when used with simplifying
- From: Jens-Peer Kuska <kuska at informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
- Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:44:23 -0400 (EDT)
- Organization: Universitaet Leipzig
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- Reply-to: kuska at informatik.uni-leipzig.de
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Hi, ohhh the situation is even mutch wronger than you think, you don't need to use Simplify[] and FullSimplify[] to find the bug just try and get False, the situation is just the same with TrueQ[a^2+2*a*b+b^2==(a+b)^2] and if you would like to read the manual what TrueQ[] does and what Equal[] mean than it would be clear that you have not found a bug. And yes Simplify[] and FullSimplify[] change the system so much that they are not Equal[] but the system is still equal, because the Mathematica function Equal[] has a different meaning than "equal". Then only solution to the problem above is to use TrueQ[2*a + 2*b == 2(a + b) // FullSimplify] TrueQ[a^2 + 2*a*b + b^2 == (a + b)^2 // FullSimplify] but you can't use it, because you just found out that it has "serious ... bug" too bad. Regards Jens sean kim wrote: > > hello group, > > i think i have a serious Solve[], Simplify[], FullSimplify[] bug... > > Take a system of equations as below. (apb is actually (a+b). i defined > it as apb to keep Mathematica crunching away at it) > > sys = > {c1[t] == (c*(16*a^4 + 8*a^3*kd + 4*a^2*apb*kd + 2*a*apb^2*kd + > apb^3*kd))/(apb^4*kd), > c2[t] == (2*(8*a^3 + 4*a^2*apb + 2*a*apb^2 + apb^3)*b*c)/(apb^4*d), > c3[t] == (2*(8*a^3 + 4*a^2*apb + 2*a*apb^2 + apb^3)*b*c)/(apb^4*kd)} > > sys1 = sys /.{apb -> (a + b)} > sys2 = sys/.{apb -> (a + b)}//Simplify > sys3 = sys/.{apb -> (a + b)}//FullSimplify > > and then use > > TrueQ[sys1 == sys1] > TrueQ[sys1 == sys2] > TrueQ[sys1 == sys3] > TrueQ[sys2 == sys3] > > then it gives, > > Out[18]=True > Out[19]=False > Out[20]=False > Out[21]=False > > Simplify and FullSimplify changed the system so much that they are not > equal? > > Basically, unless I define the (a+b) as a single constant apb, the Mathematica > will do soemthing with it then it messes it up. I think... > > Why is this happening? and how do i prevent it from happening again > with other more obsucre systems? Above I got lucky in finding the > cause (a+b) > > thanks in advance for any and all comments. > > Sean