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Re: Re: Re: Inverse of "PowerExpand"

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  • Subject: [mg51740] Re: [mg51726] Re: [mg51703] Re: Inverse of "PowerExpand"
  • From: Andrzej Kozlowski <akoz at>
  • Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:30:24 -0500 (EST)
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I agree with everything below but in this case a further comment 
perhaps should also be made. The transformation that is being asked for 
is not universally valid so it seems rather natural that there is no 
Mathematica function that would perform it. Of course the same is true 
of PowerExpand, but that is at least partly just a legacy from the day 
that Mathematica did not have the ability to use assumptions. Nowadays 
the best way to accomplish both transformations is to make use of the 
Assumptions mechanism:

FunctionExpand[Log[(a*b)/c], {a > 0, b > 0, c > 0}]

Log[a] + Log[b] + Log[1/c]

FullSimplify[Log[a] + Log[b] - Log[c],
   {a > 0, b > 0, c > 0}]


Unfortunately FunctionExpand  does not return quite what what we want, 
although it comes near enough.  In fact can do better by using Simplify 
with arather perverse ComplexityFunction tries  to make expressions 
more "complex" rather than simpler: (the resulting function should be 
called Complexify but unfortunately thsis word is already reserved for 
a different meaning ;-) )



Andrzej Kozlowski
Chiba, Japan

On 30 Oct 2004, at 16:48, David Park wrote:

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> Klaus,
> This brings up an interesting point about Mathematica that I think is 
> often
> troubling to new users. That is that Mathematica does not have 
> commands for
> everything, for example there is no command for complete the square. If
> Mathematica had commands for everything, since mathematics and 
> computing
> applications are so broad and varied, it would end up having millions 
> of
> commands - and then you would have trouble finding the one you need.
> Mathematica is not so much a tool box for doing mathematics, but a
> metatoolbox for making the tools you will need to perform calculations 
> in
> your particular application.
> So it is almost always necessary to make definitions or rules and do
> programming while using Mathematica. Many people find it difficult to 
> adjust
> to that point of view and may spend much effort trying to find an 
> existing
> Mathematica command to do what they want, when they could much more 
> quickly
> write the necessary tool.
> Of course, sometimes you may write a tool and later find that 
> Mathematica
> has it - but that is a lesser problem.
> David Park
> djmp at
> From: Klaus G [mailto:Karl_boehme_9 at]
To: mathgroup at
> To: mathgroup at
>> Klaus,> One method...
>> Log[a] + 2*Log[b] - Log[c];
>> % //. (a_.)*Log[b_] + (c_.)*Log[d_] -> Log[b^a*d^c]
>> Log[(a*b^2)/c]
> OK. But you assume that you know how to add logarithms..
> Klaus G.

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