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*Subject*: [mg57105] Re: Integrate gives wrong answer
*From*: Maxim <ab_def at prontomail.com>
*Date*: Mon, 16 May 2005 01:29:47 -0400 (EDT)
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 07:24:23 +0000 (UTC), Maxim <ab_def at prontomail.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 03:03:58 +0000 (UTC), Brian Rogers <brifry at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I have a problem on which Integrate misses badly. The code consits
>> of:
>>
>> fmin[x_, p_]:=[p(1-(x-a+e)/(2e))^(p-1)]/2e
>>
>> which is the pdf of the minimum of p draws from a uniform distribution
>> on [a-e,a+e], and
>>
>> Integrate[Abs[Min[mi,mc]-Min[mj,mc]]*fmin[mc,k]*fmin[mi,ni-k]*fmin[mj,nj-k],
>> {mc,a-e,a+e},{mi,a-e,a+e},{mj,a-e,a+e},Assumptions->{k\el\_Integers,
>> ni\el\_Integers,nj\el\_Integers,1<=k<=Min[ni,nj],0<a-e<a+e<1}]
>>
>> This produces the output:
>>
>> \!\(k\ \((\(a +
>> e\)\/ni - \(2\ e\)\/\(1 + ni\) + \(a + e\)\/\(k - ni - nj\) +
>> \(2\ \
>> e\)\/\(1 - k + ni + nj\))\)\)
>>
>> which is not symmetric betwenn ni and nj, as it should be.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>> Thanks!
>> Brian Rogers
>> brifry at gmail.com
>>
>
> This can be done using the symmetries of the integral. First, it's
> independent of a, and second, the integral over mi < mj is the same as
> the
> integral over mj < mi with ni and nj interchanged; also we can assume
> that
> ni <= nj. The condition 0 < a - e < a + e < 1 is equivalent to 0 < e <
> 1/2
> && e < a < 1 - e and we can choose a == 0:
>
> In[1]:=
> fmin[x_, p_] := p*(1 - (x - a + e)/(2*e))^(p - 1)/(2*e)
>
> Integrate[Abs[Min[mi, mc] - Min[mj, mc]]*
> fmin[mc, k]*fmin[mi, ni - k]*fmin[mj, nj - k],
> {mc, a - e, a + e},
> Assumptions -> {a == 0, 1 <= k <= ni <= nj, 0 < e < 1/2,
> a - e < mi < mj < a + e}] //
> Simplify;
>
> Integrate[%, {mi, a - e, a + e}, {mj, mi, a + e},
> Assumptions -> {a == 0, 1 <= k <= ni <= nj, 0 < e < 1/2}];
>
> % + (% /. {ni -> nj, nj -> ni}) // FullSimplify
>
> Out[4]=
> 2*e*(1/(1 + ni) + 1/(1 + nj) - 2/(1 - k + ni + nj))
>
> which seems to agree with the results of the numerical integration.
>
> Generally it's a good idea to specify the version of Mathematica you're
> using; the above will work in version 5.1 only. In 5.0 you can carry out
> the first integration step with the help of PiecewiseIntegrate from
> http://library.wolfram.com/infocenter/MathSource/5117/ .
>
> However, Mathematica 5.1 still has problems with this type of integrals:
>
> In[5]:=
> Assuming[e > 0 && p > 0,
> Integrate[x*(e - 1 - x)^p, {x, -1 - e, -1 + e}]]
>
> Out[5]=
> 0
>
> which is incorrect. Integrating on 0 < e < 1 and 1 < e separately gives
> the correct answer.
>
> In[6]:=
> Integrate[e^(k - ni - nj)*(e - mi)^(-1 - k + ni)*
> (e - mj)^(-1 + nj)*(mi - mj) +
> e^(k - ni - nj)*(e - mi)^(-1 - k + ni)*(e - mj)^(-1 - k + nj)*
> ((e - mi)^(1 + k) - (e - mj)^k),
> {mi, -e, e},
> Assumptions -> {1 < k < ni < nj, 0 < e < 1/2, -e < mj < e}]
>
> Out[6]=
> ComplexInfinity
>
> In fact the integral converges. A trickier issue is that if we perform
> the
> integration steps in a different order or for different values of a, the
> result of integration may contain expressions of the form Beta[z, -ni, ni
> - 1]. For integer ni>0 (which is what we need) this is correct only as
> Limit[Beta[z, -n, n - 1], n -> ni].
>
> Maxim Rytin
> m.r at inbox.ru
>
A better way is
Block[{a = 0},
Assuming[{1 <= k <= ni <= nj, 0 < e < 1/2,
a - e < mi < mj < a + e},
Integrate[Abs[Min[mi, mc] - Min[mj, mc]]*
fmin[mc, k]*fmin[mi, ni - k]*fmin[mj, nj - k],
{mc, a - e, a + e}] //
Simplify]
];
Then the second integration step takes significantly less time.
Maxim Rytin
m.r at inbox.ru
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