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Re: Re: Using Mathematica notebooks in presentations?
Hi, everyone, This discussion has already been held, and positions of two major group are clear: those preferring specifically Mathematica presentations and those preferring generic PowerPoint-type programs. I am following this discussion with a practical interest of a one doing such presentations and having to be alert. However, at present this new discussion is unfortunately kept on the level of personal tests. These tests (as much as I can see from the present discussion) are very much based on personal Mathematica-programming skills. It is not quite unexpected. Those with greater experience in such a programming see no problems to write a peace of code to make a demonstration for the presentation. But in this case this demonstration will be much better suited for the presentation aim. In contrast, those with a considerably smaller experience realize this also, but will have to spend too much time, and presentation will look much less professional. This dominates the decision and I find that the both groups are right. I think that there are also some problematic things that at present in the both styles of presentations. I am going to note now those I met. I hope with these in focus the discussion may help the Wolfram crew in future. The drawbacks of PowerPoint-oriented presentations are well described by math-presentations followers. I agree 100%, and for this reason I will not comment on this any more. Let me instead formulate few narrow places I met doing Mathematica presentations. First let me recall (if somebody have left this out) the Mathematica is intended for everybody, not only for programmers and not even only for those making presentations concerning Mathematica itself. There are also other communities: physicists, biologists etc. A problem with people from those communities is that they sometimes want in their presentations to include items created outside of Mathematica. Sometimes it works, say with simple images, but sometimes it fails. I personally needed to include avi movies created by simulations made outside of Mathematica. I failed, and the Wolfram HelpDesk explained me that not any avi file may be imported into Mathematica. This is a serious limitation. One can of coarse, go around. For example, from Mathematica one may call an external program to run a movie say, by a hyperlink. But this spends too much time before your application starts. It decreases a temp of the presentation. If you need to run about 5 such external movies per presentation, which is not too rear... One may alternatively, have open all windows with external programs that he intends to run, but then he may have too much windows open and lost among them. And this is simply inelegant. I mean that for people who really need such movies run, it is a real problem with Mathematica, while PowerPoint does all this easily. Second important thing is template. Templates of the PowerPoint are primitive, standard, often ugly, but they are there. We have no Mathematica templates for very basic things regularly needed during presentations. For example, one often needs to show formulas and to highlight those their parts that are discussed in a moment. PowerPoint has an instrument to insert formulas, Mathematica has its own also. PowerPoint has no template to accentuate their parts, but using the PP templates this is done in few seconds. In contrast, it took us a long discussion and many attempts and a good peace of programming at this forum about a year ago, to develop good functions to accentuate desired parts of expressions. It is now good though not much better than I achieved in PowerPoint in the past. Ok, once your have such functions, you do it easily in future. However, to make a push to Mathematica-based presentations, (I believe) it would be desirable to have such and some other basic templates already at hand to simplify the work for those who are not that readily programming. Third, if your presentation is not about Mathematica, but you have a lot of code in its interactive parts, you typically do not want to show this code to the auditory. And besides, you have no time to execute the code right before the given interactive demonstration is shown. There is of coarse, a way around. You may keep the whole code in one notebook, and the presentation in another one. This second will then contain the names of your functions just to call them. First of all you need then to execute all functions both from the first and from the second notebooks. You need to write a special function that will do this. Ok, once you have such a function... The next problem is that you often do not need that the auditory sees your functions (or function names) in the SlideShow notebook. Even more, you need to exclude any extra visual information, since it misleads. You need then to make tricks. Say, you may close the cells around interactive presentation, rather than around the function. But like this you lose a control. And it is a considerable peace of work for you right before the presentation. And in this very moment you have typically other things to do. You may make the function names to be simultaneously titles of the demonstrations. This is better, but then there are problems with formatting. However, may I dream that future SlideShow templates would have a button that shows/hides such code-containing cells, and those that execute all functions of the SlideShow? And those switch on/switch off the In-Out tags? No, I understand quite well that some of you may in a second or so write me a nice function that makes the job. I may do it also. I did actually. Nevertheless, I firmly believe that having such things built-in will be a benefit. In general I am much more Mathematica-oriented than PP-oriented talk-giver, and I hope that this discussion may be helpful. Regards, Alexei Murray, I do agree, and I do not want to get started on awful and/or sleep-inducing Powerpoint presentations - believe me, I've had far too many of those already (and I'm not that old...). Nevertheless, used wisely it can make handy tool for delivering presentations, and perhaps lowering the threshold for the average user to access live Mathematica content from Powerpoint could make Mathematica more popular (which I would consider a good thing). Regards, Yves Murray Eisenberg schrieb: > I'm curious as to what is considered "too basic" in the Mathematica > slide show tools. > > If what is meant is the absence of fades, dissolves, fancy borders and > backgrounds, etc. -- GOOD, I'm glad they're not available. In almost > every case I've ever seen, such features are just distracting junk. > > > magma wrote: > > > The current slideshow tools in Mathematica are still too basic to > compete > > with the commercial presentation packages -- Alexei Boulbitch, Dr., habil. Senior Scientist IEE S.A. ZAE Weiergewan 11, rue Edmond Reuter L-5326 Contern Luxembourg Phone: +352 2454 2566 Fax: +352 2454 3566 Website: www.iee.lu This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform us immediately and destroy the original transmittal from your system. Thank you for your co-operation.