Re: Delay Differential Equations

*To*: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net*Subject*: [mg105232] Re: [mg105198] Delay Differential Equations*From*: Daniel Lichtblau <danl at wolfram.com>*Date*: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:31:53 -0500 (EST)*References*: <200911241048.FAA00661@smc.vnet.net> <4B0C33E2.5070102@wolfram.com> <5bb7300a0911241148o69013c9br1871eb1cb1a73c73@mail.gmail.com>

Yun Zhao wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > Thanks for your reply. But my question is I was trying to solve an > equation, and the solution just doesnt make much sense, and I looked in > the help files, but they didn't really help me much. The problem is this: > > I have some cells of type A, and at some point in time, cells of type A > are going to slowly change into cells of type B. So, population size of > cell type A will decrease over time due to two factors: (1) becoming > cells of type B and (2) dying over time. So for a differential > equation, i have two rates, one is the transformation rate (0.0367), one > is the death rate (0.0123). But I want to delay the transformation by > 37 hours. So from time = 0 to time = 37, all that is changing in cells > of type A is that they are dying at the death rate, then after 37 hours, > they are also disappearing at the transformation rate. > > So my differential equation is like this: > > *solrandom1=NDSolve[{p'[t]* > > *==0.0367*p[t-37]-0.0123*p[t],p[t/;t<0]=30000},p,{t,0,120}]* > > What I expect when I plot p(t) over t is a gradual decrease from t=0 to > t=37. Then more decrease from t=37 to t=120. p(t) should never be less > than zero. But when I ran that code in Mathematica, and plotted it > using this command > > *Plot[Evaluate[p[t]/.solrandom1],{t,0,120},PlotRange**ï?®Automatic]* > > p(t) was actually less than zero. I am not able to figure out why this > is. > > Please tell me what I did wrong. Thanks. First is that the delay term you have is not negative. So I'd expect an increase. When I do the following I indeed see a rising population. solrandom1 = NDSolve[{p'[t] == 0.0367*p[t - 37] - 0.0123*p[t], p[t /; t <= 0] == 30000}, p, {t, 0, 120}] Plot[Evaluate[p[t] /. solrandom1], {t, 0, 120}, PlotRange -> Automatic] Second is that your claim of no transformations for 37 hours is wrong. You are modeling that by 0.0367*p[t - 37], and p[t] is 30000 for t<=0. So this contribution is not going to be zero (whether you use a positive or negative thereof). You can repair this by using the system below. solrandom1 = NDSolve[{p'[t] == -0.0367*p[t - 37]*UnitStep[t - 37] - 0.0123*p[t], p[t /; t <= 0] == 30000}, p, {t, 0, 120}] Next is that there is nothing to stop this solution from going negative. For that you'd need an EventHandler. Could do as below. solrandom1 = NDSolve[{p'[t] == -0.0367*p[t - 37]*UnitStep[t - 37] - 0.0123*p[t], p[t /; t <= 0] == 30000}, p, {t, 0, 120}, Method -> {"EventLocator", "Event" -> p[t]}] Last is that these methods are things in the documentation I had noted in my last reply. Daniel Lichtblau Wolfram Research > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Daniel Lichtblau <danl at wolfram.com > <mailto:danl at wolfram.com>> wrote: > > Yun Zhao wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone have experience working with delay differential > equations in > Mathematica 7? I found some help files on wolfram and > Mathematica help, but > the information available there were very limited. If anyone can > refer me to > other online or textual sources, I would really appreciate it. > Thank you > very much. > > Mike > > > Not sure what you saw in the Documentation Center. These are perhaps > the most useful, worth checking if you have not encountered them > already. > > howto/SolveDelayDifferentialEquations > tutorial/NDSolveDelayDifferentialEquations > > Daniel Lichtblau > Wolfram Research > >

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