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Re: Re: OneIdentity

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  • Subject: [mg103720] Re: [mg103646] Re: OneIdentity
  • From: "Kurt TeKolste" <tekolste at fastmail.us>
  • Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:05:00 -0400 (EDT)
  • References: <200909240352.XAA13458@smc.vnet.net> <h9vfkq$e6g$1@smc.vnet.net>

I retract my comment: I misread the definition by incorrectly making the
immediate association with idempotence.

On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:38 -0400, "Chris Osborn" <chrisosb at gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 30, 6:32 am, "Kurt TeKolste" <tekol... at fastmail.us> wrote:
> > You have misread the definition of OneIdentity.  OneIdentity declares
> > key to be what mathematicians call "idempotent,"  i.e. you get the
> > answer after one application and no change occurs with repeated
> > application.  The usual example of an idempotent operator is projection
> > in linear algebra: the result of projecting to the x-axis a projection
> > to the x-axis is the same
> >
> >   xProjection[xProjection[{x,y}]] = xProjection[{x,y}] = {x,0}
> >
> > Note, however that
> >
> >    xProjectionn[{x,y}] == {x,y}  is false in general
> >
> > On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:52 -0400, "Chris Osborn" <chris... at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I do not understand why I get "False" instead of "True" here:
> >
> > > In[773]:= ClearAll[key];
> > > SetAttributes[key, OneIdentity];
> >
> > > MatchQ[13, key[_]]
> >
> > > Out[775]= False
> >
> > > According to the docs:
> >
> > > OneIdentity
> > > is an attribute that can be assigned to a symbol f to indicate that f
> > > [x], f[f[x]], etc. are all equivalent to x for the purpose of pattern
> > > matching.
> >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Chris
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kurt Tekolste
> 
> As I see it, the function description implies that for purposes of
> pattern matching,
> every input to "key" is a fixed point (i.e.  key[x] = x) which is a
> bit stronger
> than idempotence (key[key[x_]] = key[x]).
> 
> But, OneIdentity does not seem to correspond to Idempotence, either,
> e.g.:
> 
> In[1568]:= ClearAll[key];
> SetAttributes[key, OneIdentity];
> 
> MatchQ[key[13], key@key[13]]
> 
> Out[1570]= False
> 
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
Regards,
Kurt Tekolste



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