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Re: if using Mathematica to solve an algebraic problem

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  • Subject: [mg109070] Re: if using Mathematica to solve an algebraic problem
  • From: David Bailey <dave at>
  • Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 06:54:54 -0400 (EDT)
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Helen Read wrote:
> On 4/9/2010 3:32 AM, David Park wrote:
>> Sometimes I find it difficult to understand these discussions.
>> For example, Richard's: "There is of course the possibility that something
>> really useful will be developed that will make it possible to teach all students
>> everything they need to know." What kind of something would that be, and in
>> what way would it make it possible? It seems like a rather vague but
>> expansive goal.
>> Similarly, David suggests that Mathematica might be "terribly dangerous"
>> with the possibility of "becoming skilled in answering questions through
>> Mathematica, rather than actually learning the subject!" (Not always bad. Is
>> there anything wrong at becoming skilled at driving to various locations in
>> your city without actually learning how the internal combustion engine
>> works?)
> I don't get this either. I teach my students to use Mathematica as part 
> of a mathematics course -- mainly calculus, but other classes as well. 
> We use Mathematica differently and for different purposes depending on 
> the subject matter. Using Mathematica does not subtract anything from 
> their learning of the course content. Rather, it adds to it.
> As just one example, when we come to the topic of series in Calculus II, 
> after a little chalk (well, whiteboard) and talk, I give the students 
> some examples of series and have them make tables and plots of terms and 
> partial sums in Mathematica, and try to guess whether the series 
> converges (and if so, to what). I'll give them the following examples to 
> work on.
> (a) A series that converges very quickly and obviously. (Usually I'll 
> use a geometric series for this, and I'll remind them of this example 
> example later on when we discuss geometric series.)
> (b) A series whose terms don't converge to 0 (and thus the series diverges).
> (c) The Harmonic series.
> They go through (a) and (b) pretty quickly. When they get to (c), they 
> have a hard time deciding if the series converges or diverges. They will 
> puzzle over it for quite a while. Some of them will make tables and 
> plots of partial sums going out to thousands of terms in the series, and 
> still they are unsure if the series converges or diverges.
> After letting them work while I walk around and answer questions, we 
> stop to discuss the examples. The class will tell me that Example (a) 
> has terms that converge to 0, and the partial sums converge to (whatever 
> I have rigged it to). For (b), they will explain that the terms converge 
> to let's say 1/2, and so the partial sums increase approximately 
> linearly with a slope of 1/2, and the series diverges. From this, they 
> make the observation that if a series has terms that do not converge to 
> 0, there is no way the series could converge.
> Then we get to (c). The terms converge to 0, and it's tough to tell 
> whether the partial sums converge or diverge, but most of them will lean 
> toward thinking that they diverge. So then I lower the boom. Let's 
> *prove* that it diverges. This leads us into a discussion of the 
> Integral Test. We continue with this interplay between concrete examples 
> in Mathematica and analytical work on the board as we progress through 
> the chapter.
> I don't understand how anyone would think that this use of Mathematica 
> is "dangerous" or "threatening" or somehow prevents my students from 
> learning the subject. On the contrary, this use of Mathematica helps my 
> students to gain some conceptual understanding of a topic that they 
> otherwise find difficult and abstract.
> --
> Helen Read
> University of Vermont
Peace Helen!

I am not in any way saying that how you teach is dangerous - I was more 
imagining a situation in which students had access to Mathematica at any 
time they wanted (student copy) and could use it to attack pencil and 
paper problems that you had set them. In that situation, I think you 
could end up with some students who became good at Mathematica, but 
didn't learn enough maths.

One problem is that students may feel under time and grade pressure. If 
they see a way to cheat with Mathematica, they may not like the idea, 
but the competition might force it on them

David Bailey

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