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*Subject*: [mg116482] Re: NDSolve and NumericQ
*From*: Simon Pearce <Simon.Pearce at nottingham.ac.uk>
*Date*: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:45:13 -0500 (EST)
Thanks Oliver, pointing me to the tutorial on the inner components of NDSolve was EXACTLY what I needed to find. Solved the problem that I was actually having, rather than the toy problem I was trying to present.
Thanks,
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: Oliver Ruebenkoenig [mailto:ruebenko at wolfram.com]
Sent: 12 February 2011 10:19
To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net
Subject: [mg116482] [mg116371] Re: NDSolve and NumericQ
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011, Simon Pearce wrote:
> Hi Mathgroup,
>
> I have a differential equation in terms of y[S] which contains several complicated piecewise functions inside the ODE. I currently then use NDSolve in order to find a solution for y. This works, but takes about 10 seconds to solve.
> I'd like to speed this up, and I'm wondering if NDSolve is trying to differentiate the piecewise function explicitly, as has been mentioned before in the group (http://forums.wolfram.com/mathgroup/archive/2008/Sep/msg00458.html). The solution given there is to use ?NumericQ to prevent evaluation without supplying the value, common enough (and an entirely separate issue on the group - can't we have an option in FindRoot and related functions so we can turn this off?). But I'm having trouble in doing this and using NDSolve, the method I'm trying to use currently .
>
> So a test problem:
>
> AA[y_, S_?NumericQ] := Sin[y[S]] + y'[S]/S
> NDSolve[{AA[y, S] == 0, y[0] == 1}, y, {S, 0, 1}]
>
> Giving the error "NDSolve::dvnoarg: The function y appears with no arguments", as it tries to evaluate for a general S. It works if I take the ?NumericQ out of the definition, but that isn't what I'm trying to do.
>
> As an example of a function which doesn't work if we take the ?NumericQ out of the definition:
>
> BB[y_, S_?NumericQ] := Sin[y[S]] + y'[S]/S + NIntegrate[(Sqrt[t] + Sin[t]), {t, 0, S}]
> NDSolve[{BB[y, S] == 0, y[0] == 1},y, {S, 0, 1}]
> Same error again.
>
> CC[y_, S_] := Sin[y[S]] + y'[S]/S + NIntegrate[(Sqrt[t] + Sin[t]), {t, 0, S}]
> NDSolve[{CC[y, S] == 0, y[0] == 1},y, {S, 0, 1}]
> This gives errors on the NIntegrate which suggest to me that NDSolve is doing something to the equation before putting values in for S. The result is correct, but isn't immediate.
>
> Anyone have any idea how to do this?
>
> Thanks,
> Simon Pearce
> University of Nottingham
>
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>
Simon,
CC[yp_, y_, S_?NumberQ] :=
Sin[y] + yp/S + NIntegrate[(Sqrt[t] + Sin[t]), {t, 0, S}]
Block[{eps = 10^-8},
NDSolve[{CC[y'[S], y[S], S] == 0, y[eps] == 1,
y'[eps] == -eps Sin[1]}, y, {S, eps, 1}, SolveDelayed -> True]]
better:
is = Integrate[(Sqrt[t] + Sin[t]), {t, 0, S}]
DD[yp_, y_, S_?NumberQ] := Evaluate[Sin[y] + yp/S + is]
Block[{eps = 10^-8},
NDSolve[{DD[y'[S], y[S], S] == 0, y[eps] == 1,
y'[eps] == -eps Sin[1]}, y, {S, eps, 1}, SolveDelayed -> True]]
You could also have a look at
tutorial/NDSolveStateData
hth,
Oliver
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