Re: How to force integers
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- Subject: [mg122972] Re: How to force integers
- From: DrMajorBob <btreat1 at austin.rr.com>
- Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 06:44:54 -0500 (EST)
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Because ff = MinimalPolynomial[GoldenRatio, z]; tableFF = Table[FF[z, i], {i, 1, 10}]; quotients = Table[ PolynomialQuotient[FF[z, i], ff, z], {i, 1, 10}]; remainders = Table[PolynomialRemainder[FF[z, i], ff, z], {i, 10}]; tableFF == ff quotients + remainders // Simplify True and both ff /. z -> GoldenRatio // FullSimplify 0 (obvious from the definition of MinimalPolynomial) and IntegerQ /@ remainders {True, True, True, True, True, True, True, True, True, True} (also obvious, from Andrzej's output) Bobby On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:05:49 -0600, Andrzej Kozlowski <akoz at mimuw.edu.pl> wrote: > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 12:37, Artur wrote: > >> Table[(7/10 - (6/5)*(-1)^ >> n*(1/2)*(f^(15*(2 n - 1)) - (1/f)^(15 (2 n - 1))) + (1/ >> 20)*(f^(30 (2 n - 1)) + (1/f)^(30 (2 n - 1)))) /. >> f -> GoldenRatio, {n, 1, 10}] >> >> Is possible to force integers without use Round or Floor of numeric >> values? >> >> Best wishes >> Artur >> P.S. If You haveany idea please together to group send also copy to me >> privately because I have dayly import of meesages from mathgroup. > > > The brute force way does not work that well: > > FunctionExpand[ > Table[(7/ > 10 - (6/5)*(-1)^ > n*(1/2)*(f^(15*(2 n - 1)) - (1/f)^(15 (2 n - 1))) + (1/ > 20)*(f^(30 (2 n - 1)) + (1/f)^(30 (2 n - 1)))) /. > f -> GoldenRatio, {n, 1, 10}]] // FullSimplify > > Select[%, Element[#, Integers] &] > > {93844,322001299796379844} > > > But if you use a little mathematics it's not very hard: > > FF[f_, n_] := (7/ > 10 - (6/5)*(-1)^ > n*(1/2)*(f^(15*(2 n - 1)) - (1/f)^(15 (2 n - 1))) + (1/ > 20)*(f^(30 (2 n - 1)) + (1/f)^(30 (2 n - 1)))) > > ff = MinimalPolynomial[GoldenRatio, z] > z^2 - z - 1 > > > Table[PolynomialRemainder[FF[z, i], ff, z], {i, 1, 10}] > > {93844,322001299796379844,1114592308630995805123571151844,3858108676488182444301031186675778188809844,13354661111806898918013326915229994453818137920195953844,46226529205379101535753002137929887361907500739491537481331321383844,160010949322145952773860086493177869262966073764598370932427950656393852476099844,553870349842207826713557631069951923197518136739527343011649668972409965997313866676253301844,1917196077730360379396905729379390922093236623252862757213367138733759339591732105556176108739747928389844,6636283746750176594270824850360024773860275215653614881604406793661771442602555440763226294492207181462603574958963844} > > > Andrzej Kozlowski -- DrMajorBob at yahoo.com