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Re: Exploiting relationships in manipulations: example

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  • Subject: [mg131329] Re: Exploiting relationships in manipulations: example
  • From: Bob Hanlon <hanlonr357 at gmail.com>
  • Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 04:54:10 -0400 (EDT)
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tel = {2/15 Sqrt[
     =CF=80] (5 ff[0][0] + 2 Sqrt[5] ff[2][0]), -I Sqrt[(2 =CF=80)/15] (ff[2][-1] +
      ff[2][1]),
   1/15 Sqrt[
     =CF=80] (10 ff[0][0] -
      Sqrt[5] (Sqrt[6] ff[2][-2] + 2 ff[2][0] + Sqrt[6] ff[2][2])),
   Sqrt[(2 =CF=80)/15] (ff[2][-1] - ff[2][1]), -I Sqrt[(2 =CF=80)/15] (ff[2][-2] -
      ff[2][2]),
   1/15 Sqrt[
     =CF=80] (10 ff[0][0] +
      Sqrt[5] (Sqrt[6] ff[2][-2] - 2 ff[2][0] + Sqrt[6] ff[2][2]))};


In your text you state ff[l][m] == ff[l][-m] (-1)^m


Simplify[tel,
 Union[Cases[tel, ff[_][_], Infinity]] /.
  ff[l_][m_] -> (ff[l][m] == ff[l][-m] (-1)^m)]


{(2/15)*Sqrt[Pi]*(5*ff[0][0] +
        2*Sqrt[5]*ff[2][0]), 0, (2/15)*Sqrt[Pi]*
     (5*ff[0][0] - Sqrt[5]*(ff[2][0] +
             Sqrt[6]*ff[2][2])), -2*Sqrt[(2*Pi)/15]*
     ff[2][1], 0, (2/15)*Sqrt[Pi]*
     (5*ff[0][0] - Sqrt[5]*ff[2][0] +
        Sqrt[30]*ff[2][2])}


However, in your code you use ff[l][m] == Conjugate[ff[l][-m]]*(-1)^m)


Simplify[tel,
 Union[Cases[tel, ff[_][_], Infinity]] /.
  ff[l_][m_] -> (ff[l][m] == Conjugate[ff[l][-m]]*(-1)^m)]


{(2/15)*Sqrt[Pi]*(5*ff[0][0] +
        2*Sqrt[5]*ff[2][0]), (-I)*Sqrt[(2*Pi)/15]*
     (ff[2][-1] + ff[2][1]), (1/15)*Sqrt[Pi]*
     (10*ff[0][0] - Sqrt[5]*(Sqrt[6]*ff[2][-2] +
             2*ff[2][0] + Sqrt[6]*ff[2][2])),
   Sqrt[(2*Pi)/15]*(ff[2][-1] - ff[2][1]),
   (-I)*Sqrt[(2*Pi)/15]*(ff[2][-2] - ff[2][2]),
   (1/15)*Sqrt[Pi]*(10*ff[0][0] +
        Sqrt[5]*(Sqrt[6]*ff[2][-2] - 2*ff[2][0] +
             Sqrt[6]*ff[2][2]))}


% === tel


True



Bob Hanlon




On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Sune <sunenj at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all.
>
> I'm trying to get Mathematica to simplify a list of expressions involving
> complex symbolic variables with certain relations among them, and to take
> advantage of these relations while simplifying.
>
> To be more concrete, I could have a list such as
>
> tel={2/15 Sqrt[\[Pi]] (5 ff[0][0]+2 Sqrt[5] ff[2][0]),-I Sqrt[(2
> \[Pi])/15] (ff[2][-1]+ff[2][1]),1/15 Sqrt[\[Pi]] (10 ff[0][0]-Sqrt[5]
> (Sqrt[6] ff[2][-2]+2 ff[2][0]+Sqrt[6] ff[2][2])),Sqrt[(2 \[Pi])/15]
> (ff[2][-1]-ff[2][1]),-I Sqrt[(2 \[Pi])/15] (ff[2][-2]-ff[2][2]),1/15
> Sqrt[\[Pi]] (10 ff[0][0]+Sqrt[5] (Sqrt[6] ff[2][-2]-2 ff[2][0]+Sqrt[6]
> ff[2][2]))}
>
> However, there's a conjugate symmetry among the variables ff[l][m] that
> would enable a simpler looking expression. Specifically, ff[l][m]=ff[l][-m]
> (-1)^m, and I would like to have Mathematica take advantage of that and
> reduce expressions such as
>
> I Sqrt[(2 \[Pi])/15] (ff[2][-1]+ff[2][1])
>
> to
>
> -Sqrt[(2 \[Pi])/15] 2*Im(ff[2][1])
>
>
> I've tried various combinations of ComplexExpand and FullSimplify;
>
> ComplexExpand[
>  FullSimplify[tel,
>   And @@ Flatten[
>     Table[ff[l][m] == Conjugate[ff[l][-m]]*(-1)^m, {l, 0, 4, 2}, {m,
>       0, l}]]], Flatten[Table[ff[l][m] , {l, 2, 4, 2}, {m, -l, l}]]]
>
> (And also version with the two outermost commands interchanged)
>  but it doesn't do what I want. Of course, it may be that the rules for
> simplify are such that my sought expression is not considered a simpler
> version of the same expression. Could that be the case? Otherwise, I'd
> appreciate any suggestions on how to implement relations such as these in
> manipulation of expressions.
>
> Thanks,
> Sune
>
>


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