Re: Re: Bug of Integrate
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- Subject: [mg83050] Re: [mg83019] Re: Bug of Integrate
- From: DrMajorBob <drmajorbob at bigfoot.com>
- Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 06:17:32 -0500 (EST)
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In the first place, your integral isn't the same for all functions x and y. For instance: Clear[x, y] x[t_] = t^2; y[t_] = t; Integrate[Sqrt[1 + (y'[t]/x'[t])^2]*x'[t], {t, 0, 2 Pi}] \[Pi] Sqrt[1 + 16 \[Pi]^2] + 1/4 ArcSinh[4 \[Pi]] and even this is 0, not 2 Pi: Clear[x, y] x[t_] = Cos[t]; y[t_] = Sin[t]; Integrate[Sqrt[1 + (y'[t]/x'[t])^2]*x'[t], {t, 0, 2 Pi}] 0 I think you meant something like Clear[x, y] x[t_] = Cos[t]; y[t_] = Sin[t]; Integrate[Sqrt[x'[t]^2 + y'[t]^2], {t, 0, 2 Pi}] 2 \[Pi] or (since x'[t] is negative from 0 to Pi/2): -4 Integrate[Sqrt[1 + (y'[t]/x'[t])^2]*x'[t], {t, 0, Pi/2}] 2 \[Pi] Bobby On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:53:48 -0600, Miguel <misvrne at gmail.com> wrote: > On 1 nov, 11:38, "David W.Cantrell" <DWCantr... at sigmaxi.net> wrote: >> m... at inbox.ru wrote: >> > On Oct 30, 2:26 am, "David W.Cantrell" <DWCantr... at sigmaxi.net> wrote: >> [snip] >> > > However, related to the above, version 5.2 does give an incorrect >> > > result for a definite integral with a symbolic real limit. Whether >> this >> > > error still exists in version 6, I don't know: >> >> > > In[3]:= Assuming[Element[x,Reals],Integrate[3*Sign[Cos[t]],{t,0,x}]] >> >> > > Out[3]= 3 If[x > 0, x Abs[Cos[x]] Sec[x], >> > > Integrate[Sign[Cos[t]], {t, 0, x}, Assumptions -> x <= 0]] >> >> > > The above is incorrect for x > Pi/2. A correct result would have >> been >> >> > > 3 Sign[Cos[x]] (x - Pi Floor[x/Pi + 1/2]) >> >> > > for all real x. >> >> > > David W. Cantrell >> >> > Note that your formula isn't correct for x = Pi/2 + Pi k. The correct >> > expression for all real x is >> >> > In[1]:= Assuming[0 <= x < 2 Pi, Integrate[3 Sign[Cos[t]], {t, 0, >> > x}]] /. >> > x -> Mod[x, 2 Pi] >> >> > Out[1]= Piecewise[{{-3 Pi/2, Mod[x, 2 Pi] == 3 Pi/2}, {3 (Pi - Mod[x, >> > 2 Pi]), Pi/2 < Mod[x, 2 Pi] < 3 Pi/2}, {-3 (2 Pi - Mod[x, 2 Pi]), 3 >> Pi/ >> > 2 < Mod[x, 2 Pi] < 2 Pi}, {3 Mod[x, 2 Pi], 0 < Mod[x, 2 Pi] <= Pi /2}}] >> >> Moments ago, I sent a message thanking Maxim for pointing out my error. >> I >> also mentioned a much shorter result which is correct for all real x: >> >> 3 ArcSin[Sin[x]] >> >> But perhaps it's worth mentioning that there is also an expression >> which is correct for all real x which avoids using any functions such as >> ArcSin or Sin, while still being shorter than his Piecewise expression: >> >> 3 (-1)^Floor[x/Pi + 1/2] (x - Pi Floor[x/Pi + 1/2]) >> >> That result is "in the same spirit" as what I originally intended. >> >> David W. Cantrell- Ocultar texto de la cita - >> >> - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > By other hand, I think everybody knows the solution of the following > problem: > "Derive the formula for the circunference of a circle of radius "a" by > computing the length of the arc x=a cost; y= a sint for 0<= t<=Pi > " > > L=Integrate[Sqrt[1+(y'[t]/x'[t])^2]*x'[t],{t,0,2Pi}] > > I have tried to resolve with version 5.2 and version 6.0.1. The > results have been differents. > > When the result is unknown, version 6.0.1 is reliable? > > > -- = DrMajorBob at bigfoot.com