Re: How to use Mathematica find the solution of an
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- From: Murray Eisenberg <murray at math.umass.edu>
- Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 04:19:29 -0400 (EDT)
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By direct substitution:
1/((I w) (1 + I w)^2) /. w -> 1
-1/2
Arg[%]
Pi
The argument is NOT -Pi ! We're dealing here with the principal argument Arg, as usual. If you want to use some other branch of the multivalued function arg, that's your right, of course.
The expression has exactly the same value, -1/2, for w -> -1, so the same issue arises.
On May 27, 2013, at 4:24 AM, "Eduardo M. A. M. Mendes" <emammendes at gmail.com> wrote:
> Many thanks for the reply.
>
> If we consider
>
> 1/((I w)(1+I w)^2)
>
> we have
>
> -angle(I w)-2*angle(1+I w) = -180
>
> -90-2*angle(1+ I w)=-180
>
> -2*angle(1+i w)=-90
> angle(1+iw)=45
>
> therefore w = 1
>
> and probably something similar for w=-1.
>
> I feel that I do not know how Mathematica deals with the argument of a complex number.
>
> To be honest I would like to know what is going on under the hood of PhaseMargins.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> On May 24, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Bob Hanlon <hanlonr357 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The equation does not appear to have a solution except as a limit (from
>> below) but then the solution is either -1 or 1.
>>
>>
>> eqn = Arg[-(I/((1 + I w)^2 w))] == -Pi;
>>
>>
>> eqn // Simplify
>>
>>
>> False
>>
>>
>> eqn /. {{w -> -1}, {w -> 1}}
>>
>>
>> {False, False}
>>
>>
>> Limit[Arg[-(I/((1 + I w)^2 w))],
>> w -> -1, Direction -> 1] == -Pi
>>
>>
>> True
>>
>>
>> Limit[Arg[-(I/((1 + I w)^2 w))],
>> w -> 1, Direction -> 1] == -Pi
>>
>>
>> True
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Hanlon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Eduardo M. A. M. Mendes <
>> emammendes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I need to solve the following equation:
>>>
>>> Arg[-(I/((1+I \[Omega])^2 \[Omega]))]==-\[Pi]
>>>
>>> I have tried Solve (empty output), Reduce (it gives some results but not
>>> the answer Omega=1) and FindRoot (it gives Omega=1 but it is a
>>> numerical search). Is there a way to get the solution not using a
>>> numerical search?
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> PS. I need to solve several equation of the same kind.
>>>
>>>
>
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- How to use Mathematica find the solution of an equation when Arg is part of it?
- From: "Eduardo M. A. M. Mendes" <emammendes@gmail.com>
- Re: How to use Mathematica find the solution of an
- From: Bob Hanlon <hanlonr357@gmail.com>
- Re: How to use Mathematica find the solution of an
- From: "Eduardo M. A. M. Mendes" <emammendes@gmail.com>
- How to use Mathematica find the solution of an equation when Arg is part of it?