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Sqrt problems

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  • Subject: [mg19517] Sqrt problems
  • From: Rita Bijlsma <R.Bijlsma at>
  • Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:00:38 -0400
  • Organization: Interfaculty Reactor Institute of Delft
  • Sender: owner-wri-mathgroup at

Hi All,

  I'm working with the textual version of mathematica 2.2 on VMS
  and I have some questions related to Sqrt


              2   2            4    4   4
         1   n  Pi    Sqrt[4 Dq  + n  Pi ]
         - - ------ + --------------------
         2       2               2
             4 Dq            4 Dq

 - How do I get mathematica to give me:      

              2   2             4   4
         1   n  Pi         1   n  Pi
         - - ------ + Sqrt[- + ------]
         2       2         4        4
             4 Dq              16 Dq

   (  Or even better, with  Power[(n Pi)/(2 Dq), ..] in it, but
       forget that)         

  - So I would like something like PowerExpandAll[]

  - I would like to tell PowerExpand which of the variables
    are real and positive, just like the way ComplexExpand works,
    is this available in later versions of Mathematica? 
    I tried to give && Dq > 0 as one of a set of equations but
    this was not allowed and && Dq == Abs(Dq) introduces transcendental
    functions that made the set unsolvable. 

  - Is there some way to add a condition like x > 0 to a set of

    I noticed that simplify may sometimes not 
    work on the equation form, but does on the corresponding 
    simple expression form. 

  - How can I get mathematica to perform the PowerExpand on
    the equation (and rule) forms?  

    Mathematica's answer to a set of equations was:     

              Sqrt[1 - 2 Fr] n Pi
            Sqrt[Fr] Sqrt[-4 + 4 Fr]

  - How can I get mathematica to give it like this: 

        Sqrt[-2 + ------] n Pi
                  1 - Fr
              2 Sqrt[Fr]

    The form given by mathematica is very ugly as the arguments of
    the Sqrt are normally negative. It is not affected by PowerExpand.
    The input equations did not have the offending Sqrt seperately,
    so mathematica really changed it into this form.   
    As mathematica is unwilling to perform Sqrt[x y] = Sqrt[x] Sqrt[y]
    unless PowerExpand is used, the above should not have happend,
    I think.

  - Could I have done something to prevent it?

                  Thanks for all and any help!,            
  .-. || Drs. Rita Bijlsma                 tel: +31-15-2787109
 /   \|| IRI dept of Radiation Physics     fax: +31-15-2786422
 |   ||| Delft University of Technology  email: rita at     
 |   |||_The Netherlands ______________

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